garnayrob Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Hi all, I'm going out my mind with frustration. I've got a Honeywell Accenta/Optima with 2 zones (zone 1 mag contact on door and zone 2 a PIR). I've set both zones 1 and 2 as "used". On all 3 programs I've set zone 1 as "timed". On all 3 programs I've set zone 2 as "inhibit". I've set and armed the panel, then proceeded to pass through the PIR. Instead of triggering the alarm immediately as I would expect, the entry timer starts. The only way I've managed to get the PIR to trigger the alarm is to remove the inhibit completely, which is useless as I cannot enter zone 1 without tripping the PIR. Help!! What have I done wrong?? Rob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rulland Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Progging glitch somewhere!, during a full set zone 2 will cause an alarm condition if the entry timer- zone 1 has not activated first, part sets default to zone 2 initiating the entry timer-are you sure you're full setting? And not one of the part sets?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnayrob Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Progging glitch somewhere!, during a full set zone 2 will cause an alarm condition if the entry timer- zone 1 has not activated first, part sets default to zone 2 initiating the entry timer-are you sure you're full setting? And not one of the part sets?. I'm just doing a normal set - e.g. type in code then close Zone 1 (magnet contact). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Or you have wired them round the wrong way walk test it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnayrob Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Nope wired round the right way. Have even tried putting PIR on a different zone. Same result. Suspecting a faulty panel, as inputs for entry and exit times are ignored - still the default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Doubt it will be the panel Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Why do you have to pass the Pir to get to zone 1? Take the other programmes off, Get the main one working first. Also, try putting zones 3 and 4 as used but just link them out at the panel, heard this sometimes needs to see at least 4 zones to operate correctly. Reboot the panel and start again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 neighbours must love you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnayrob Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 guys. Just some background there are only 2 zones (garden office) with zone 1 on door and PIR directly inside the door. At the moment I've just left with a 10 second entry for both sensors which is fine - just annoyed inhibit function refuses to work. Yep neighbours had their bank holiday Sunday ruined! :0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Its programming, How are you testing this also? Settting and being inside the property? This works out of the box so reset it to defaults as already suggested and start again. Just increase the defaulted entry time. Why have both sensors got an entry time? Your not quite understanding the terminology I believe, You obviously have the manual do a factory reset and do as above, This is ione of the easiest to use and programme if not in this game. Your missing out something . What keyad is it the LED one? They always confuse people. Ps Should have been testing with the strobe only not full bells. Experience ehh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnayrob Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Hi Oxo, yep I'm an alarm numpty it seems Yep - setting and testing inside the property. The point is I haven't got both zones on timed, I've got zone 1 (mag contact) on timed and zone 2 (pir) on inhibit - but when testing, if I pass zone 2 it just starts the entry countdown. Only way I can get alarm to trigger from inside is turning both timed and inhibit off zone 2 (instant alarm). I'm sure I'm doing it right - does the box perhaps need a hard reset? Panel is LED only, but I'm understanding the programming fine it's just not doing as supposed to! Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Your not setting correctly. Do a FULL set, Set it with zone 1 as a Final Exit Zone 2 as Inhibited. Cover the pir when doing this. When set remove the cover. Your missing something basic and not giving all the programming info we need to assist rather than guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garnayrob Posted August 26, 2012 Author Share Posted August 26, 2012 Oxo, appreciate the continued patience. A FULL set is simply by typing in the code then shutting the door? This is what I am doing. According to the manual, the Final Door (option 2) is set at a program level not a zone level - this is the current setting. Zone 1 is set as Timed (option 2) and Zone 2 PIR set as Inhibit (option 3). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted August 26, 2012 Share Posted August 26, 2012 Did you "mask" off the sensor and check the system works correctly as in sets and unsets? Then remove the cover and see what happens, Did you restart the panel? Have you tried this with the detectors on a short lead to prove them? Have you also used zones 3 and 4 but linked them out, have heard this can help sometimes. All what I have said before, but you have not said you have tried. If you dont try we cannot see the results and now after 3 times if you do not follow a basic method then its no good trying to help. Time for leaving it until tomorrow and REBOOTING the panel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 The joys of fitting one of the worst panels on the market. Some of the terminology and programming of these doorstops are bewildering to the DIYers, and no doubt trade. Defo not the best panel for a first timer but they seem to be aimed at them. I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Some of the terminology and programming of these doorstops are bewildering to the DIYers, and no doubt trade. QFA I only have to program these rarely and argee they're confusing. I'd be confident it's a programming problem, if you have double-checked you have wired them the right way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Blimey. Lads this is a walk in the park. OP has not listened, taken onboard the info. This is so easy its untrue.......as it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Blimey. Lads this is a walk in the park. beg to differ, I never understood the book since they changed it Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 beg to differ, I never understood the book since they changed it div Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rulland Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 div Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 div TBH I'm in full agreement Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 To be fair, I haven't even seen it - crappy little panels like this are like fat ginger birds - don't go there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rulland Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 To be fair, I haven't even seen it - crappy little panels like this are like fat ginger birds - don't go there.. Fear of the unknown/unfamiliar!, IMHO shows weakness, yes it's what you wouldn't normally use, doesn't necessarily make it a bag of crock though. Worked on a fair few of these, yes it's not particularly friendly, but once you get your head round the terminology/progging!.Bobs your uncle normally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 To be fair, I haven't even seen it - crappy little panels like this are like fat ginger birds - don't go there.. ucking hell, you cant compare ade ***** to a fat ginger bird, - a fat ginger bird has some use. I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxo Posted August 27, 2012 Share Posted August 27, 2012 Shame, it seems some cannot assist. Some take the piss. Others not understand. Are there only that few whom can be called "expert" in their field. Or do you all think your so good you do not have to know about other systems other than your own? Shame if you feel it is the latter. Narrow minded Bar Stewards springs to mond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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