Adi Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 We're changing from SSAIB to NSI and I must admit the NSI have asked for a lot of things we have never needed to do whilst under SSAIB Will it make you a better firm, or just more red tape? I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Its easy for those of us that only know one inspectorate to assume things. only those guys that have seen first hand both bodies can truly make an informed view. However it looks like we will be ssiab as well as nsi gold this year. A few reasons for it but mainly i hate being asked the difference by new customers so this way i can actually have an informed view securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reidy Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Will it make you a better firm, or just more red tape? Possibly both Its easy for those of us that only know one inspectorate to assume things. only those guys that have seen first hand both bodies can truly make an informed view. However it looks like we will be ssiab as well as nsi gold this year. A few reasons for it but mainly i hate being asked the difference by new customers so this way i can actually have an informed view Seems like an expensive exercise for just an informed view James Hey Ho, Lets Go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Possibly both Seems like an expensive exercise for just an informed view James SSAIB is cheap if you already have all the bits you need. I think I would do the same if we ever went for NSI. I think Chris lewis and a few other firms do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatthaplo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 At the end of the day it is just a badge. It is all down to the quality of the workforce. Paperwork in the office can be hashed together the week before a visit and you can choose what sites to take the technical inspector to. The trick is having good engineers that are always willing to learn and adapt to any changes and aren't just like well this is how i have done it for ten years. Work Website: http://www.welch-group.co.uk/ Personal Blog: http://wyatthaplo.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I wouldnt totally agree with that. You cant hash paperwork together like that it would show. Plus most approved co's use db's so this is all time stamped and logged It would be an ideal world if all engineers fully knew the regs on the install and paperwork side. However this is rarely if ever the case. I dont know them all off the top of my head. I know what we do and the way we do it. This is obviously in our manuals and trained. But problems arise when an engineer with the best of intentions does something he believes to be correct when it isnt. No-one can change a spec, a work practice etc without authorisation. Its the approval process and ISO for instance that documents all this and puts it in practice securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 I wouldnt totally agree with that. You cant hash paperwork together like that it would show. Plus most approved co's use db's so this is all time stamped and logged It would be an ideal world if all engineers fully knew the regs on the install and paperwork side. However this is rarely if ever the case. I dont know them all off the top of my head. I know what we do and the way we do it. This is obviously in our manuals and trained. But problems arise when an engineer with the best of intentions does something he believes to be correct when it isnt. No-one can change a spec, a work practice etc without authorisation. Its the approval process and ISO for instance that documents all this and puts it in practice QFA I couldnt of put it better myself ..... well I could of done but I dont have a brummie accent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatthaplo Posted March 14, 2012 Share Posted March 14, 2012 It would show but if the inspector doesnt look to closely, and excuses can always be made for lack of signatures etc. Not saying that its a good idea or anything. Im a stickler for paperwork myself Work Website: http://www.welch-group.co.uk/ Personal Blog: http://wyatthaplo.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 We're changing from SSAIB to NSI and I must admit the NSI have asked for a lot of things we have never needed to do whilst under SSAIB What sort of things reidy securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Anyone else besides me refused entry to an inspectorate. NACOSS inspected and refused us. We were told to re apply once we met their criteria. Had their been an SSAIB in those days i would have taken that route. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Anyone else besides me refused entry to an inspectorate. nsi gold knocked us back 7/8 years ago. their concern was that we did not show enough proffit on the balance sheet, fee refunded & advised to go silver. Maybe I'm too cynical but the only reason I can currently muster to have gold medal is to silence the critics in an internet forum. Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 nsi gold knocked us back 7/8 years ago. their concern was that we did not show enough proffit on the balance sheet, fee refunded & advised to go silver. Maybe I'm too cynical but the only reason I can currently muster to have gold medal is to silence the critics in an internet forum. And that from an alledgedly not for profit organisation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Why is that relevant andy? One of the checks Nacoss make is on the stability of the firm. How does that affect the not for profit status of NSI? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 One of the checks Nacoss make is on the stability of the firm. they disliked our sole trader tax accounts, despite there concerns where still here..... Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Why is that relevant andy? One of the checks Nacoss make is on the stability of the firm. How does that affect the not for profit status of NSI? You ever checked their acccounts??12 months ago they didn't even comply with their 'rules' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 You ever checked their acccounts?? 12 months ago they didn't even comply with their 'rules' The books never give the full story, ask Dave he credit checked me a few years back as I remember and it looked really sore, but it didnt really reflect the situation if you credit check me today I'm a really good bet, nothing has really changed other than profit and t/o going up as a natural growth and expansion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I thought it was Gus Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I havnt Andy no. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 I thought it was Gus My credit looked good long before Gus came on the scene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Can't recall TBH, however WSS is the only firm on here I'd ever heard of pre forums, (featured in PSI or something...) Not aimed at any forum members, you may regard yourself or employer as industry success story, however I find the cleints of security firm appear to be wealthier than an alarm co. Example, Cleint is getting a 100k remodelling of their show rm paid for by a car manufacter v a relucant £50 alarm panel as sample Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Can't recall TBH, however WSS is the only firm on here I'd ever heard of pre forums, (featured in PSI or something...) I missed that one! I have been on LBC, BBC Radio Sussex and Surrey several times, in the local papers a couple of times, and I have just been quoted in a womens magazine (Cant remember the name) Not aimed at any forum members, you may regard yourself or employer as industry success story, however I find the cleints of security firm appear to be wealthier than an alarm co. But not all clients started off the same way as most successful alarm co's Can't recall TBH, however WSS is the only firm on here I'd ever heard of pre forums, (featured in PSI or something...) I was fairly certian it was you but I could be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 The books never give the full story, ask Dave he credit checked me a few years back as I remember and it looked really sore, but it didnt really reflect the situation if you credit check me today I'm a really good bet, nothing has really changed other than profit and t/o going up as a natural growth and expansion But were several of your Directors on the Board of other companies all reg flagged for accounts way overdue? Some with not so shiny figures, others with, you can work out the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 As I said Andrew credit checking never gives the full picture, I have had first experience of this. I also own another co where the accounts are overdue but this is down to my chartered accountant having too much work in January (Tossers that cant get their returns in on time), mind you Im the owner but not a director so it doesnt get associated with wss when you credit check it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 Dave was it "Which" we were given a very high rating in their magazine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted March 15, 2012 Share Posted March 15, 2012 As I said Andrew credit checking never gives the full picture, I have had first experience of this. I also own another co where the accounts are overdue but this is down to my chartered accountant having too much work in January (Tossers that cant get their returns in on time), mind you Im the owner but not a director so it doesnt get associated with wss when you credit check it These were months Pete, many months and several of them. I agree there are many reasons, but seems they don't practice what they preach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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