tonsai Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hi Can anyone help advise me on some hardware and spec for a system for a school.... I've attached an image with a rough layout or what is required. They don't have a lot of money to spend but they have some. At a guess i'm think a system like this with labour would be about 5K (including a weeks labour), or am I way off the mark? I'm interested in plain BNC cameras or IP cameras as I think they could be easier to install. Comments opinions welcome on that point too. The plan is to have the DVR in the office so all cameras would need to link back to that location. The care taker would like to view the cameras remotely, he lives in a house next to the site. So he could use his broadband connection pr some sort of transmitter/receiver, the apex of his roof nearly has line of site to the office where the DVR would be situated. I think the longest cable run will be about 55M. Camera 7 is on the gate so they can buzz poeple in an out but Im not suire how to get the picture back from there as there are no ways of running a cable without digging up the tar mac. Maybe wireless or some kind of Video over Mains device. Anyway, I open the floor to debate with the attached picture/diagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDM Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Hi Can anyone help advise me on some hardware and spec for a system for a school....I've attached an image with a rough layout or what is required. They don't have a lot of money to spend but they have some. At a guess i'm think a system like this with labour would be about 5K (including a weeks labour), or am I way off the mark? I'm interested in plain BNC cameras or IP cameras as I think they could be easier to install. Comments opinions welcome on that point too. The plan is to have the DVR in the office so all cameras would need to link back to that location. The care taker would like to view the cameras remotely, he lives in a house next to the site. So he could use his broadband connection pr some sort of transmitter/receiver, the apex of his roof nearly has line of site to the office where the DVR would be situated. I think the longest cable run will be about 55M. Camera 7 is on the gate so they can buzz poeple in an out but Im not suire how to get the picture back from there as there are no ways of running a cable without digging up the tar mac. Maybe wireless or some kind of Video over Mains device. Anyway, I open the floor to debate with the attached picture/diagram. I would say more like 20k. Be careful I've worked on buildings like that before. Manchester based Lee 07709 736 987 www.secure-solutions.info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJBsec Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 You are way out with your costing of 5K IMO and I can't help wondering that if you are struggling at the spec stage, is this really something that you should be wanting to do yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpat Systems Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 You are way out with your costing of 5K IMO and I can't help wondering that if you are struggling at the spec stage, is this really something that you should be wanting to do yourself. My thoughts exactly...... You also need to be asking the following questions: Does the school require local authority approval?Monitoring - Most local authorities now insisted on this!Are you CHAS accredited?Are you on the local Authoriy list of approved suppliers?What is the school hoping to achieve with the system, i.e. (school scenario) Crime Prevention, Liability, Bullying, Truancies detection etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 if your using decent equipment 5k wont last long. IMO as a rough budget id say 1k per camera, then add whatever you need at control end. Decent dvr's are well over 1k, yes you can get cheap ones, but you can get cheap everything. Think about what your trying to achieve, then look at equipment that fits that bill. Never start of with a number of cams and a budget as you will end up with a very very poor system, that will have to ripped out a proper one installed. Be careful James securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marx Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 u might get 4cameras on main house for 5k. not all 7. just to much labor involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonsai Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 u might get 4cameras on main house for 5k. not all 7. just to much labor involved. I got 4 cameras and a network DVR on a house for just under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpat Systems Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 Which local authority does the school come under? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonsai Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 Which local authority does the school come under? LEEDS - http://www.educationleeds.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpat Systems Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 LEEDS Assuming the school requiries authority approval for cctv, you'll need to apply to be on the list of approved contractors http://scms.alito.co.uk/index.jsp You'll probably also find that if approval is necessary, the system will have to go out to tender depending on the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marx Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 need 2 guys to run cables! this would be brb the worst nightmare to run cable on your own on such a big install Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 also often authorities have an approval list of installers and or equipment. Id be suprised if that kit is approved. Also the stuff you use on a house usually isnt upto being used on a commercial. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpat Systems Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 also often authorities have an approval list of installers and or equipment. Id be suprised if that kit is approved.Also the stuff you use on a house usually isnt upto being used on a commercial. Just to add a bit more to what Redbull has already said.... We work closely with a number of local authorities on cctv for town centres / public buildings / schools etc.... The majority of work is on a subcontract basis. The council will have employed a specialist independent consulting company who will specialise in electrical and building systems. They will produce a specification that you will quote against. The spec will include a list of equipment you can choose. You will be required to produce quotes / method/risk assessments / insurance / accreditations etc etc We have also had to give 5 years live expectancy on all installed equipment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonsai Posted May 26, 2009 Author Share Posted May 26, 2009 I think I can safely say that the caretaker is in no position to request a cctv system and isn;t aware of the hurdles that need to be jumped to achieve his requirements. Funily enough he said the headmaster was away on holiday at the moment so I'm guessing he's making enquiries without his knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Jon Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Apart from the basic technical aspects of installing CCTV on a school premises, you will need to have some fairly detailed documentation outlining the Operational Requirements for the site (and who is going to produce that ...?) Then of course there's issues like insurance cover, not only for the individuals working on site, but also liability cover in the event that the system fails to fulfil it's stated objectives and the management decide to seek legal recourse. I'd hate to put a dampner on it, but for this type of premises, like the other guys have already suggested, a budget of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUBS Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 I got 4 cameras and a network DVR on a house for just under Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonsai Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Apart from the basic technical aspects of installing CCTV on a school premises, you will need to have some fairly detailed documentation outlining the Operational Requirements for the site (and who is going to produce that ...?)Then of course there's issues like insurance cover, not only for the individuals working on site, but also liability cover in the event that the system fails to fulfil it's stated objectives and the management decide to seek legal recourse. I'd hate to put a dampner on it, but for this type of premises, like the other guys have already suggested, a budget of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 yes it would. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Would the same not apply for installing a couple of flood lights. Have you actually thought through the implications of all this? I ask because reading your several threads, it seems you haven't a clue. As a comparison, you say you work full time in I.T., so. Who installs, sets up and runs your servers and network - my guess is it ain't some amateur you found on a forum who said he knows what he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 tonsai I can agree with the above point, but id probably put it accross a little differnt. I think we can all agree that this project is probably a little large for you, with your current knowledge. I think you would be better getting some experience at some smaller stuff. As your a pro IT man, you would probably not install an IT system in this building using bottom end Tenda value switches, a pcworld pc as the server running xp pro etc etc. Im sure people say to you all the time 'I installed my own network/server/ip phone system' etc and then say something about how great and easy it was.... but pick your brains about a problem they have. Just approach any project as you would an IT project and think that all Kit is not the same, then you can worry about the install and support of it. James securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonsai Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 ok, I think I'm going to knock this one on the head. Apparently they've had a quote from another company who said they can do 16 cams with DVR for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubit Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 ok, I think I'm going to knock this one on the head. Apparently they've had a quote from another company who said they can do 16 cams with DVR for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aismoresecur Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 Probably your mate the sparky! Probably an IT Co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 27, 2009 Share Posted May 27, 2009 lol Yes id agree it must be very cheap gear. IMO and thats all i can offer 16 way id be lookiung at something like DM digital Sprite securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonsai Posted May 27, 2009 Author Share Posted May 27, 2009 Have you actually thought through the implications of all this?I ask because reading your several threads, it seems you haven't a clue. As a comparison, you say you work full time in I.T., so. Who installs, sets up and runs your servers and network - my guess is it ain't some amateur you found on a forum who said he knows what he's doing. Cubit, you're right, I don't have a clue but thought I'd ask around for some advice to see if it was feasible. This forum looked like a good place to start and ask few questions. Anyone can screw a few cheap cameras to a wall and plug them into a DVR but as redbull said, for this project, you need a pro, which isn't me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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