Adi Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 its a brand new system I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlofe Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 sorry to cause confusion, i meant if you drop the detector (being with the sounder too as they are base sounders) the detector circuit reports a fault but the sounder circuit does not report a fault, as for the panel its got no brand on it what so ever, just a simple white box with 3 buttons on it, 2 zone i have removed more flooring to reveal more cables etc, and upon finding that halfway down the building the fire cable changes into T+E i have decided to rip the whole system out and re-fit it myself, i am a cctv installer so obviously this really isn't my field of expertise, and i will probs get a professional company out to quote me for a complete re-fit what would you guys suggest for a residential (but very large) building we are talking 6 bedrooms plus basement, garages, etc but we dont want separate sounders, base sounders would be best, regs alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirectFS Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 sorry to cause confusion, i meant if you drop the detector (being with the sounder too as they are base sounders) the detector circuit reports a fault but the sounder circuit does not report a fault, as for the panel its got no brand on it what so ever, just a simple white box with 3 buttons on it, 2 zone Then the system doesn't comply with BS - simple. As others have indicated (pardon the pun) - any device dropped off the circuit must infrom the controls there is a fault. That includes sounders. Also the panel sounds like an electrical wholesaler special! Worth chasing the contractor for your money back at this point. i have removed more flooring to reveal more cables etc, and upon finding that halfway down the building the fire cable changes into T+E i have decided to rip the whole system out and re-fit it myself, That's an absolute no-no. Nowhere in a fire system is twin and earth cable acceptable any longer, and that's been the case for a long time now. Even the mains run on its (hopefully) dedicated circuit should be run in fire retardant cable - e.g. FP200, pyro, firetuff, etc. i am a cctv installer so obviously this really isn't my field of expertise, and i will probs get a professional company out to quote me for a complete re-fitwhat would you guys suggest for a residential (but very large) building we are talking 6 bedrooms plus basement, garages, etc Nicest possible way - get someone in who whos what they are doing. Is there a requirement for a fire alarm system in this premises, or is it something the owners wanted, as a peace of mind thing? Thing is, if you're going to have it, it needs to be done properly - there's no point having peace of mind if it is't going to work when it's needed. And if it is a required system - well, you're knackered as things stand. Should start with a qualified risk assessment really - and then design the grade of system accordingly, specify the kit, then install. but we dont want separate sounders, base sounders would be best,regs alex Nothing particularly wrong with that - and perfectly possible. Just make sure they indicate a fault condition at the panel when removed from circuit! (and that they're wired in the correct cable!!!!).... Bill. Bill Accord Fire & Security Services Ltd. www.accordfire.co.uk ~ TEL: 0845 474 5839 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatonTE1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 sorry to cause confusion, i meant if you drop the detector (being with the sounder too as they are base sounders) the detector circuit reports a fault but the sounder circuit does not report a fault, as for the panel its got no brand on it what so ever, just a simple white box with 3 buttons on it, 2 zone i have removed more flooring to reveal more cables etc, and upon finding that halfway down the building the fire cable changes into T+E i have decided to rip the whole system out and re-fit it myself, i am a cctv installer so obviously this really isn't my field of expertise, and i will probs get a professional company out to quote me for a complete re-fit what would you guys suggest for a residential (but very large) building we are talking 6 bedrooms plus basement, garages, etc but we dont want separate sounders, base sounders would be best, regs alex You could go either way here (addressable or non-addressable) depending on how much you want to spend per device and panel, but both will give you sounders and detectors on the same pair.I'd recommend allowing a zone per floor,one for the roofspace and one for any external buidings. As for equipment (imo) I'd go for (non-addressable) Apollo Sav Wire gear with HAES control panel or Fulleon Squashni Micro 2 Wire sounder bases,Apollo heads/bases with a Firesense 2 Wire panel. Just a thought but why are you thinking of installing a Part 1 system (ie - control panel,monitored zones etc.) and not interlinked mains detectors with battery back up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowlofe Posted March 23, 2009 Author Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yup its a complete mess so its all coming out, i am going to fit the new system i have decided, i am rather competent with electronics and the fire alarm is not a requirement simply a add on, but i will be following the book! addressable would be preferred, but from what i have previously read it will be hard being able to get a panel that will run the heads i would like to use apollo XP95 addressable heads, can anyone advise me on panels which will run that protocol, and what base sounders can i use? regs alex + the previous owner of the house wont give me the info of who installed the last system, i would think he did it him self because all of the rest of his "handywork" is cr$& Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatonTE1 Posted March 23, 2009 Share Posted March 23, 2009 Yup its a complete mess so its all coming out,i am going to fit the new system i have decided, i am rather competent with electronics and the fire alarm is not a requirement simply a add on, but i will be following the book! addressable would be preferred, but from what i have previously read it will be hard being able to get a panel that will run the heads i would like to use apollo XP95 addressable heads, can anyone advise me on panels which will run that protocol, and what base sounders can i use? regs alex + the previous owner of the house wont give me the info of who installed the last system, i would think he did it him self because all of the rest of his "handywork" is cr$& http://www.apollo-fire.co.uk/panelmanu.html - take your pick for a control panel.Everyong has a favourite "box" that they use but most common would be Advanced,Morley,Kentec and C-TEC.Based on their conventional stuff I'd give HAES a look as well. Bear in mind that you will (ideally) need to get the software and leads for any of these panels for putting your text strings in. You will be using the sounder bases from whatever manufacturer of detection you decide on (Hochiki also have a very established history and are as good as Apollo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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