Hawaii Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 NSI released a guidance note a few years ago stating that an alarm engineer who is competant can fit a spur as long as it is not in the kitchen or bathroom. So send your engineers on the one day Tavcom course which will also cover you on any H & S issues. It's as simple as that, as long as you do not try to be an electrician and do anything more involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niknak Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 ANY alteration to a circuit must be notified under Part P and a certificate issued in a domestic property. Any business premises that has domestic accomodation using THE SAME mains supply comes under Part P A short course at college DOES NOT automatically allow you to do this work, it merely says you are competent to do it, But to issue a certificate you need to register with one a many electrical bodies who will ask you to undergo on site testing before you can issue certificates in their name. Anyon who does any work that is in a bathroom, kitchen or special location has to issue a certificate, even if you are just passing cables through that area.. ( by cable I mean mains not alarm ) When people on here say the part p rules don't apply to commercial premises, it is partly correct, but under the "electricity at work act" all your work must comply with the current electrical regs, if you don't meet that standard, you are liable to prosecution under the "electricity at work act" for which PRISON a FINE or BOTH is a likely outcome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 ANY alteration to a circuit must be notified under Part P and a certificate issued in a domestic property. Any business premises that has domestic accomodation using THE SAME mains supply comes under Part P A short course at college DOES NOT automatically allow you to do this work, it merely says you are competent to do it, But to issue a certificate you need to register with one a many electrical bodies who will ask you to undergo on site testing before you can issue certificates in their name. Anyon who does any work that is in a bathroom, kitchen or special location has to issue a certificate, even if you are just passing cables through that area.. ( by cable I mean mains not alarm ) When people on here say the part p rules don't apply to commercial premises, it is partly correct, but under the "electricity at work act" all your work must comply with the current electrical regs, if you don't meet that standard, you are liable to prosecution under the "electricity at work act" for which PRISON a FINE or BOTH is a likely outcome... And welcome to you to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 A short course at college DOES NOT automatically allow you to do this work, it merely says you are competent to do it, But to issue a certificate you need to register with one a many electrical bodies who will ask you to undergo on site testing before you can issue certificates in their name. Think about re writing that again! Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdrianMealing Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 The New PD6662:2010 standard allows Grade 1 & 2 systems to be fitted with NO fused spur, you can basically plug the panel in, however you do have to provide protection to stop the alarm system being accidently unplugged, and i think the socket must be unswitched, naff in my opinion, but it is in there. Devices like these are apparently acceptable http://www.alzproduc...plug-cover.html amealing@texe.com Head of Industry Affairs Visit Our Website Texecom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb-eye Posted April 12, 2012 Share Posted April 12, 2012 The New PD6662:2010 standard allows Grade 1 & 2 systems to be fitted with NO fused spur, you can basically plug the panel in, however you do have to provide protection to stop the alarm system being accidently unplugged, and i think the socket must be unswitched, naff in my opinion, but it is in there. Devices like these are apparently acceptable http://www.alzproduc...plug-cover.html The old PD allowed pluged in at G1-2. I never knew or saw anyone doing this but im sure their are many unscrupulous peops about. I was making refrence to the issue of a certificate. I have been full scope NICEIC for over 30 years and in that time i rarely issued the NICEIC certificate always peffered my own. You can buy certifictes books from any good electrical supplier or print your own. i used the AMTECH cert with my own refrence numbers. You mereley require proof of competance and issue of a cert to install FCU. Do this and you are unlikely to fall fowl of Elec at work Act.and thus be working well within the law. Always keep in mind those special locations and stay clear of Part P. Customers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjsturner Posted May 1, 2012 Share Posted May 1, 2012 ANY alteration to a circuit must be notified under Part P and a certificate issued in a domestic property. Any business premises that has domestic accomodation using THE SAME mains supply comes under Part P A short course at college DOES NOT automatically allow you to do this work, it merely says you are competent to do it, But to issue a certificate you need to register with one a many electrical bodies who will ask you to undergo on site testing before you can issue certificates in their name. Anyon who does any work that is in a bathroom, kitchen or special location has to issue a certificate, even if you are just passing cables through that area.. ( by cable I mean mains not alarm ) When people on here say the part p rules don't apply to commercial premises, it is partly correct, but under the "electricity at work act" all your work must comply with the current electrical regs, if you don't meet that standard, you are liable to prosecution under the "electricity at work act" for which PRISON a FINE or BOTH is a likely outcome... With respect to the commercial side when we say the rules dont apply we mean we dont need to pay a governing body 500 a year to look at one fused spur.If any of the guys on here didnt know the regs i dont think they would be doing it.Its just a pain in the ass because im a qualified spark but work as an engineer and have to pay another spark to install a spur!some of them did 1 week training i did 5 years wheres the sense in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 cant believe part p is still being mis-interpreted. I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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