Paul_GPvR Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hi Guys, I've just spent the past 3 days installing and routing all the cable through my house to all the detectors / door contacts / smoke alarms etc etc. I've just got a couple of basic questions for you all:- - The smoke detectors (Texecom Exodus) when these go off when i'm in the house and the alarm isnt active what do they do, do they have there own alarm sounder like tradition smoke detectors?? - Multiple door contacts, is it ok to run say two door contacts from some french door into one zone in the control panel? Does the same apply for panic buttons two? - I've got a Premier Flush Mount LCD Remote Keypad Proximity Tag keypad, and i've connected the front door contact to zone one on the keypad and the PIR in the hallway to zone two. Now obviously the pir needs power to it so i've just tapped into the 12v and -ve going into the keypad. Is this okay? I think thats about it for now, i'm sure there will be more questions Thanks very much for anyhelp whatsoever. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kka Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Hi Guys,I've just spent the past 3 days installing and routing all the cable through my house to all the detectors / door contacts / smoke alarms etc etc. I've just got a couple of basic questions for you all:- - The smoke detectors (Texecom Exodus) when these go off when i'm in the house and the alarm isnt active what do they do, do they have there own alarm sounder like tradition smoke detectors?? - Multiple door contacts, is it ok to run say two door contacts from some french door into one zone in the control panel? Does the same apply for panic buttons two? if you have run one wire to each, then if you have enough spare zones then put them on their own zone, then if you have a fault you will know exactly which device it is. other then that yes it is okay to have two door contacts on one zone providing you wire them in series. same applies to the pa buttons. - I've got a Premier Flush Mount LCD Remote Keypad Proximity Tag keypad, and i've connected the front door contact to zone one on the keypad and the PIR in the hallway to zone two. Now obviously the pir needs power to it so i've just tapped into the 12v and -ve going into the keypad. Is this okay? I think thats about it for now, i'm sure there will be more questions Thanks very much for anyhelp whatsoever. Paul as for the rest i will leave to a texecom man as i am not totally familiar with this panel. they will be along shortly Kevin Scott. Owner of KK Alarms...... Installation .. Service .. Repair ...... Thoughout.. Northumberland and North Tyneside ..... Tel:01670 361948 (call diverted after 15 seconds) or 07947444114 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_GPvR Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 as for the rest i will leave to a texecom man as i am not totally familiar with this panel. they will be along shortly mate. Can you just give me an example of how you would wire them in series as i havent enough zones left? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerabloke Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 are you wiring double pole or EOL? Eucam Security Systems 0845 4630 746 www.eucam.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_GPvR Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 are you wiring double pole or EOL? double pole, there are four wires going into each detection device. The ones that require power have all 6 wires going into it. If thats what you mean?! I'm learning slowly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 Thats double pole mate. I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 double pole, there are four wires going into each detection device. The ones that require power have all 6 wires going into it. If thats what you mean?! I'm learning slowly! Hi Paul_GPvR, your installation manual should set out example's in diagrams how to wire 2 or more contacts or panic button's in series, as has been said you should not do this for motion sensor's (like pir's). you are creating 2 loops, one positive loop and one negative loop, so if you feed out on 2 colours you will return on another two, these return wires are connected to the feed of the next contact and so on with the last 'return' which is connected to the control panel from panel + X--feed yellow -------------------X<----X-white--------X-yellow--------X<----X-white------------X-to panel from panel - X--feed black-------------------------X-blue------------X-black--------------X-blue----------------X--to panel (X means connection point) as for smoke detectors their zones should be programmed as "FIRE", this makes them 'live' even if the alarm is not armed. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_GPvR Posted February 20, 2007 Author Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi Paul_GPvR,your installation manual should set out example's in diagrams how to wire 2 or more contacts or panic button's in series, as has been said you should not do this for motion sensor's (like pir's). you are creating 2 loops, one positive loop and one negative loop, so if you feed out on 2 colours you will return on another two, these return wires are connected to the feed of the next contact and so on with the last 'return' which is connected to the control panel from panel + X--feed yellow -------------------X<----X-white--------X-yellow--------X<----X-white------------X-to panel from panel - X--feed black-------------------------X-blue------------X-black--------------X-blue----------------X--to panel (X means connection point) as for smoke detectors their zones should be programmed as "FIRE", this makes them 'live' even if the alarm is not armed. regs alan Hi Alan, Thanks for that, i think that is what i have already done i'll double check tonight. So if i program the smoke dectectors like you say, when happens when they are triggered off when the alarm isnt armed? I'm assuming they dont set the bell box off ringing everytime i burn the toast?!! Do they have there own sounder? regards, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfur mo Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 Hi Alan,Thanks for that, i think that is what i have already done i'll double check tonight. So if i program the smoke dectectors like you say, when happens when they are triggered off when the alarm isnt armed? I'm assuming they dont set the bell box off ringing everytime i burn the toast?!! Do they have there own sounder? regards, Paul hi paul, yes they do, signified usually by pulsed sirens. please beleive i'm not having a go or ranting at you personally here Paul, i know many do but i'm firmly in the ant-group (possibly the founder member given how old i am ) who strongly do not advise having intruder mixed up with fire alarms in any shape or form. imo they are two different systems, both should have there own dedicated indication and control panels or get a problem with one section/side, both can be out of action - not good at all. an intruder alarm siren that sounds as you say each time the toast gets fragged, is not only of a great annoyance to the neighbours, it also devalue's your intruder systems response by them, this is your first and so most important line of defense. but false alarms could mean no reaction at all to a real intrussion, or far worse no reaction at all to a real life fire and subsequent tragedy. you understandably not knownig that the intruder sirens are pulsed in fire, underlines that very few people know this fact either, so will assume intruder with a faulty siren, not fire. i'm not critasing Paul, he has taken on a 'good idea' without the background knowledge, many firms do exactely as he has done, but i just cannot see for the life of me (or my clients) the sense or justification in mixing them. if i were ever on the BSIA inspectorates (que pause big enourmousely big shivver for everyone), i'd ban it outright as my first port of call. if you feel the need for either system i commend taking action, having taken the prudent and responsible steps, it's best to do so 'properly' in my book, and keep them well apart. a 'halfway mash up' even with 'por kit' based on cost or convenience can cost an awful lot more than money. following remark addressed to 'afrur-burners unlimited & co' ok Arfur's off on one again - let's be having you. MODS - any counter arguments/opinion i'd say keep in the public area, as it's usually them who are affected in this subject. regs alan If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 20, 2007 Share Posted February 20, 2007 i'm not critasing Paul, he has taken on a 'good idea' without the background knowledge, many firms do exactely as he has done, but i just cannot see for the life of me (or my clients) the sense or justification in mixing them. if i were ever on the BSIA inspectorates (que pause big enourmousely big shivver for everyone), i'd ban it outright as my first port of call. arf i sincerly hope you never do how can you say that no smoke detection is better than one on an intruder alarm, or even the normal 9v type, surly a 12v one if far better hes not as good as a 5839 fire alarm (sorry 5839 is a reg). I would not for example in my own house have a 'proper' fire alarm call points and the like but i do have 3 x 12v smoke detectors on it. And that IMO is fine. There are things that i would ban, but this is certainly not one of them!! Do you say these things cos you beleive them or cos you like lighting touch paper? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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