DAVE IN KENT Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 For those of you who are the boss/manager of your companies i would like to ask, if you were sending an engineer out to a job that was on an isolated site with no permanant members of staff and the potential risk of chlorine gas and phosphuric acid would you allow for two men on that site. are there any legal requirement that my employer should be adhering to? For your information staff employed by the owner of the site are required to work in pairs but as a subcontractor my employer do not seem to take any notice of this and my wife is concerned about my safety NSI GOLD BASED IN KENT INTRUDER,ACCESS CONTROL,CCTV,FIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 well depnds on the risk assesment but must say if the site think they need 2 guys then i think your employer should explain why they think not. I would advise either a system in place to check you are ok, or 2 people. I personally think your wife has a point mate....(but dont tell her she'll ony worry lol) securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerabloke Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 For those of you who are the boss/manager of your companies i would like to ask, if you were sending an engineer out to a job that was on an isolated site with no permanant members of staff and the potential risk of chlorine gas and phosphuric acid would you allow for two men on that site. are there any legal requirement that my employer should be adhering to? For your information staff employed by the owner of the site are required to work in pairs but as a subcontractor my employer do not seem to take any notice of this and my wife is concerned about my safety health and safety take prcendance here. if you are not happy with working there , say so, and your employer will have to take measures to ensure your safety Eucam Security Systems 0845 4630 746 www.eucam.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 id discuss with your employer rather than a refuse. I always think its better to ask why and understand than to go 'im not doing that'. I think if you highlight your concerns your employer should take them seriously. I know we would. but i wouldnt be so happy if someone just said im not doing it without discussing first. Might just be me though but it gets my back up i agree with cb though i think h&s should take precedence and im sure they will too securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussS Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I don't know if you have an equivalent of a U.S. orginization called OSHA. It stands for Occupational Safety and Health Administration. They could surely help. Use this site to poke around and see if you can find something base a question on. www.osha.gov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteey Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 Exactly, if you dont feel safe, dont work simple as that, if the site insists on 2 men for every job then whats the difference between them and you. We do a risk assessment on everything we do and anything we feel would be unsafe we have the option to not do Mark Hawks Ex BT Openreach Field Service Now Self employed telecom and data engineer  www.mphtelecom.co.uk Also back doing sub contract work in the security industry. Retained firefighter Devon and Somerset Fire and Rescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Service Engineer Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 an isolated site with no permanant members of staff and the potential risk of chlorine gas and phosphuric acid would you allow for two men on that site. As an employee i'll do nothing that im not happy about doing. I consider it my right to refuse doing anything I consider to be potentially risky or harmfull to my health. ........................................................ Dave Partridge (Romec Service Engineer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerabloke Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 id discuss with your employer rather than a refuse. I always think its better to ask why and understand than to go 'im not doing that'. I think if you highlight your concerns your employer should take them seriously. I know we would. but i wouldnt be so happy if someone just said im not doing it without discussing first. Might just be me though but it gets my back upi agree with cb though i think h&s should take precedence and im sure they will too jeez, james agrreing with me again, ill be a mod soon Eucam Security Systems 0845 4630 746 www.eucam.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 good god no lol i know im agreeing with more peolpe than ever lol securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerabloke Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 i thought that would be the answer Eucam Security Systems 0845 4630 746 www.eucam.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 nowt to do with me anyway cb securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 For those of you who are the boss/manager of your companies i would like to ask, if you were sending an engineer out to a job that was on an isolated site with no permanant members of staff and the potential risk of chlorine gas and phosphuric acid would you allow for two men on that site. are there any legal requirement that my employer should be adhering to? For your information staff employed by the owner of the site are required to work in pairs but as a subcontractor my employer do not seem to take any notice of this and my wife is concerned about my safety I always thought that am Employer had a duty of care towards its Employees??....I think your best bet is to call the A.A.E.U(engineering union...think they are based in crawley??)..I know besure does'nt recognise the union but the guys at the A.A.E.U are very helpful and they will put you in touch with someone who can answer your question, But i am with Service Engineer if you feel it's unsafe you do not do it...I mean would you drive your company van with known dodgey brakes??????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.S TEK. Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 is that southern water sites then?? Trade Member As Mr Kingswood said "Dont forget the 6 P's when installing.....Proper Preperation Prevents P*** Poor Performance!!!" John Kingswood(alais Nobby), Paul Earl Ltd 1985-2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyboy Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 i dont think you would have much of an arguement on the gas side as long as you have got a gas detector, i expect the rooms you are working in have got their own gas detection systems(probably on signalling via telemetry). the company you work for has got a policy that you are not aloud to be left on any job alone, you are not even aloud to work in a residentual property without the customer being present. Trade Intruder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 is that southern water sites then?? I would have thought so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinnitus Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 For those of you who are the boss/manager of your companies i would like to ask, if you were sending an engineer out to a job that was on an isolated site with no permanant members of staff and the potential risk of chlorine gas and phosphuric acid would you allow for two men on that site. are there any legal requirement that my employer should be adhering to? For your information staff employed by the owner of the site are required to work in pairs but as a subcontractor my employer do not seem to take any notice of this and my wife is concerned about my safety Dave, are you perchance working in a southern water plant? Europlex system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secboy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I was under the impression that the owner of a premisses were still responsible if they allowed a contractor to work on it in a way which was dangerous to there employees--they cannot dismiss there responsibility by saying it is the responsibility of the contractor !!!! Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyboy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 the people that run the site he is talking about are very good with health and safety , they wouldnt let you work anywhere that was unsafe. Trade Intruder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secboy Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 the people that run the site he is talking about are very good with health and safety , they wouldnt let you work anywhere that was unsafe. So it must be ok to work alone then?but why are there own people made to work in pairs as i think was mentioned--surely if there risk assessment made this necessary it should apply to contractors as well ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyboy Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 the only site i have known them to stipulate that it has to be 2 engineers was only at night and it was nothing to do with safety at the actual site it was to do with the people that hang around the site(major gay pick up area) Trade Intruder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truss and France Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 health and safety take prcendance here. if you are not happy with working there , say so, and your employer will have to take measures to ensure your safety If you are not happy then dont do it, contact your local HSE and they will tell you if it is okay for 'lone working' (its only a phone call and they might even know the site). But from what you have explained its a 'no no'. We are sub contractors and are often told there is no 'lone working' on jobs that we have priced, I think it is common sense if no one is around regardless of chemicals then you should not work on your own if you have an accident then its down to you. Keep safe Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinnitus Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 If its a southern water site they have O2 meters for working below ground. I worked at one such site, didn't get supplied with a meter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerabloke Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 shouldnt have carried on then IMO, well not my opinion, H+S law Eucam Security Systems 0845 4630 746 www.eucam.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camerabloke Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 my ladders are broken at the minute and i wont use them, told my manager and he is getting me new ones. that was 3 months ago. still dont use them though. some employer flount the law to make a profit and you should be aware that YOU are the one that gets injured, not the boss who is sat at his desk drinking tea. he will still be able to pay for his bills if you decided to take a risk and die from doing something you feel to be unsafe Eucam Security Systems 0845 4630 746 www.eucam.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddyboy Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 southern water are excellent with health and safety, if anything they take it a bit to far, but better that than being pit in danger. if you went into an area that you needed a gas detector without one then it would be your fault if you had been injured. Trade Intruder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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