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4 hours ago, Neil Porter said:
Thanks, want to stick with with Galaxy as all my engineers know it backwards, but maybe time tor a change......thinking Texecom, few of the lads work with it and like it
If you need anything at all Neil give me a shout, happy to help, training whatever you need really.
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3 hours ago, xpertalarms said:
Yep. Optional off wall tamper. Not sure why the prev co hadn't linked it out as there's no off wall tamper on it!
Wireless detector without off the wall tamper does not comply to regs, just saying
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1 hour ago, datadiffusion said:
Presumably the market doesn't demand it quite so strongly?
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1 hour ago, Ashton said:
Isn't the ricochet technology licensed by one of the old boys on an agreement with texe bet he's quids in if it is
Uh, no
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10 minutes ago, Ashton said:
Again only rumours but I hear they are looking to create the first g3 wireless (fully encrypted)
They will have a bit of catching up to do. G3 wireless already exists.
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15 minus max Bell time, not PD6662 environmental law I believe. And 3 rearms.
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18 hours ago, james.wilson said:
new ade needs trade?
Yes please
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Just give them the part code, its on their system. CEL-0001
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10 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:
Hi Mike, are you the new Ade
Nope I am still here!!
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How far away were you from the panel when you learned the bell. Need to learn everything on close to receiver, then go and put everything up in its location starting with closest to the panel first. The bell is no different to anything else with regards learning so not sure why you had the issue.
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So it works now yes?
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OK, does the bell show in Ricochet monitor? What does the wiring type say for the zone that the bell is assigned too?
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How are you testing it?
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Yep no problem I will get that sorted for you, give me a shout tomorrow once you have spoken to the customer so I can arrange to get this shipped. Once you have the other gear out if you can pack it I will get it picked up.
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21 minutes ago, PSE said:
Interesting thing is that both the keypads I fitted on Monday were over the 40% threshold you mentioned. On the ricochet monitor, One was 3/5 and the other was 4/5 on signal bars and both were direct to the panel with no hopping ?
The figures quoted are from the Ricochet diagnostics on the keypad, again if yours were that strong I definitely need that kit back to look at. I need to understand if anything else has contributed to the issues seen on this site, with that kit.
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Just now, MrHappy said:
Immingham? f#ck that...
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Soak test for weeks if reported fault, I have seen devices on test for 6 weeks plus, some literally forever, everything else from a test point of view at build is as required by BSI (KItemark), the relevant EN standards etc.... and our own functional tests
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No and now i am disappointed, perhaps you could share so we can all marvel at this wonderful opportunity
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TBH no point in me lying, I've been around long enough and respect people on here enough to know that does not work. Just telling what has been found and that we will look for the best solution to minimise the issues in the future. The wireless keypad is unique in many respects, not least the fact that it obviously sends larger packets of data than any other device, so issues are bound to be more apparent when signal drops off. On the plus side nobody else has a wireless keypad that offers the functionality that we do.
@datadiffusion apologies for not getting back to you sooner, I completely forgot and just trawled back through my mail, no fault found by our QA guys, passed all functional tests, not sure what else to say?
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OK boys and girls, we have done some testing and have found the following:-
- There is an issue with keypads when they are right on the border of hopping, but don't. So in the tests we have done response and speed is good when the keypad is at 40% signal strength or better, below that it will slow down and as the signal degrades, get to a state mentioned in this thread, slow, possible missing text on the screen etc... and then eventually hop, if there are devices available
- The point at which hopping occurs can in some cases, with one hop, actually make the keypad respond as if its a direct connection, this is when the keypad signal to the device its hopping through is high, like 80-90% plus, and the devices signal back to the receiver is high, again 80-90% plus, its almost impossible to tell the difference. If below these numbers speed is affected, as expected, as advised we do say that hopping keypads should really only be treated as arming stations.
- When the keypad signal goes below 40% it will start slowing down, the weaker it gets, the slower it gets.
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So I guess the question is what are we going to do about it?
- The R&D team are involved and discussing what we could do to improve the issues
- It could be as simple as forcing the keypads to hop earlier than other devices, but this is my simplistic non engineering view(there is absolutely no need to change any other devices they do not have the characteristics that will exhibit these issues
So the advice i can give now is, regardless direct connection, 40% or better exhibits similar characteristics as a wired keypad.
I will update this thread again when I know more, and can only offer our apologies for the issues caused and the fact that this is not documented. An addendum will probably issued and the manual, will be updated accordingly.
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Just now, PSE said:
The only difference is, It was purchased as a KIT002 with additional wireless keypad
The one here now is flying around with no issues, Could it be panel related rather than keypads. Clearly they work I've just proved / confirmed that
The KIT002 was one of the newer Elite 64, Firmware 4.00.24 and it was the first one we've installed of the newer variant and also for the wireless keypads
Admittedly I jumped straight onto bashing the keypad as to me, this is the latest product and thinking its just never a faulty panel.. it doesn't ever happen to us
What's your thoughts on this ?I have no idea, but will get/do some testing tomorrow. I don't have a factory 64 panel, only one I flashed, I will get one of the guys onto it first thing. Thanks for taking the time out to have a further play, at least you now know they do work properly!! Will respond in this thread tomorrow when I have some answers.
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1 minute ago, PSE said:
Adrian, Out of curiosity I've just done another test at home with new kit.
I've just opened another wireless keypad, Learnt it to my 32XP with 3.1.8 firmware and took 5 seconds to pair and setup.
Its currently connected to the Premier Elite 48 on my house, I'm sitting in my office in a separate building about 20 metres away from the house panel/expander
Testing this keypad now, there is not a single problem with speed, Its literally flying around fast as fook and better than you would expect
This is a totally different video where the sheer speed difference is totally noticeable
Yep just like mine, like I said there is something wrong with that kit, I don't know what it is but I need it back to check it out.
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1 hour ago, MrHappy said:
yeah, the hand was as brown as the table
+40 deg for two weeks does that, or not washing, one or the other!
49 minutes ago, PSE said:The decision to remove was mine alone, I go by the strict rule that if I wouldn't have it, my customers are not having it. I personally would be unhappy with the performance of it mate in my house.
I just cant leave the customer with something that in my view isn't right, I just don't operate like that.
Understood, and i know you dont, just trying to get to the nub of the issues.
The speed does not seem that much different to mine in your vid? BUT yes errors, just checked mine, got exactly the same, it may be to do with the learning process but will check.
Also understand about the contrast, i am wodering if we could offer a contrast option rather than a brightness option. Brightness on wired keypads is what will kill wireless ones, but contrast actually is different. I'm not even sure if the LCD module is capable of anything other than brightness. Let me check.
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13 minutes ago, PSE said:
The speed of performance on site was still very slow, Considering they were directly connected. Sometimes 2-3 seconds waiting for the next menu.
There is something not right, you saw my video, this is how mine works, and works even with more than one connected to the system. I don't know what's wrong with yours but something is. Can we get someone to site with you with some more gear? Or is the customer adamant for change because of the contrast even if the speed issue was resolved?
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@Neil PorterApologies for the delayed response I missed your post. Yes we can come to you, no problem at all.