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Hi From Kent - Cctv Advice

Started by Guest_matopia_*, Jan 01 2006 01:33 PM

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#21 Service Engineer

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 03:29 PM

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What does 0 LUX with IR mean?

Means that with the Infa Red it can see in total darkness.

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What sort of MINIMUM LUX should I be looking for in a camera?

For night time, the lower minimum lux determines the camera's suitabillity for darker situations.
Be wary of some of the quoted lux claims for non-illuminated cameras.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 03:30 PM

matopia, on Jan 2 2006, 03:27 PM, said:

but what are those LED's surrounding the lense in that camera you have posted? Do they not offer light at night?

The LED's on the camera will provide some IR illumination but not really effective ver the distances you require, hence the requirement for an additional IR flood with a better spread.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 03:33 PM

matopia, on Jan 2 2006, 03:27 PM, said:

Cool, thanks for the advice... I think I am going to use dome cameras as you suggest. Just one question. I understand I need extra lighting, but what are those LED's surrounding the lense in that camera you have posted? Do they not offer light at night?

Yes they do but you will have to satisfy yourself that the range specified by the manufacturer will meet your needs - professional I/R will always be best but as I posted previously its expensive, the type of camera I highlighted is an economical alternative for many domestic uses.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 03:44 PM

You could try one of these:

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Just be careful though not to over do the lighting..

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 04:41 PM

Service Engineer, on Jan 2 2006, 03:44 PM, said:

You could try one of these:

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Just be careful though not to over do the lighting..

Wow!, but before I go on, I don't think I understand the use of the IR LEDS. When they are lit up, are the visible to passerbys?

Do they all light up the second it gets dark or only when there is motion? If the answer is "when it gets dark "do they provide enough light for the lense, and therefore I still need extra light from another source.

:bruce_h4h:

Not to throw a spanner in the works, but I came across this web site called AXIS Communication and they deal with IP Camera's and I found a dome network camera that works during the day and at night.
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I just fancied the idea of a network camera plugged into my LAN and having the ability to remote view from work over the internet. Of course this would mean no DVR but rather a dedicated PC set up.

Of course the Axis Site didn't mention the cost of this camera (AXIS 225FD Fixed Dome Network Camera) (if anyone has a rough idea or a web link of a site selling them, that would be much appreciated).

Any comments on this type of camera...

cheers

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Mike
P.S. I found a great PDF file answering almost all of my questions (I guess I don't need this forum anymore... :banned:

) No, I got plenty more questions and again a BIG THANK YOU to everyone who have replied to my posts above. I have learnt a great in the past two days.

Edited by matopia, 02 January 2006 - 04:59 PM.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 04:59 PM

That Dome is �758.58 inc VAT.. without the software.?
.http://www.control-z...IP_Cameras.html

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Wow!, but before I go on, I don't think I understand the use of the IR LEDS. When they are lit up, are the visible to passerbys?

Passers by may see a RED glow from the led's but won't see the illumination.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 05:09 PM

I'd steer clear of the IP cameras for now. for what you can buy a semi-decent IP camera for you can get a decent conventional camera and DVR with LAN.

Obviously if you are going to use 2 cameras then this price gap will increase making it seem even more un-feasible economically.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 05:20 PM

Service Engineer, on Jan 2 2006, 04:59 PM, said:

That Dome is �758.58 inc VAT.. without the software.?
.http://www.control-z...IP_Cameras.html

I definitely will not be buying an IP camera. Gosh, they are expensive. A very clever idea and if this was an indoor request I would buy the AXIS 206 Network Camera. But as it's not I won't.

Right everybody, I walk into your virtual shop and give you my requirements based on everything I have said up above, what do you advice me to buy? I have 500GBP or there abouts to spend. Maybe a bit more.

NB: I promise I will not slag off anyone if I do happen to buy what was advised and it turns out to be rubbish.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 05:28 PM

500ish, Samsung 520, housing, IR flood and entry level 4 channel DVR (LAN, 80GB HDD, no CD-R). Might go a bit over the 500, but not too much.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 05:37 PM

Entry level DVR
An essential item for CCTV systems.This 160gig hard disk, 4 camera digital recorder with CD writer to put evidence on to give to the police. It is ideal to replace old video machine recorders.Can be swapped over in ten minutes. Network connection supported.There are no tapes to change daily and gives higher quality digital images. This unit can record 4 cameras at once and can record for several weeks depending on the number of frames per second you require. Can be programmed to re- record over disk from the beginning again automatically when full, simply switch on and forget!

Flippin eBay, but not a bad little unit.

and a couple of these should do.
eBay Again

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 05:39 PM

Silent Witness (Honeywell Video) dome cameras are Sledgehammer proof, allthough ive never tried this is what they claim so they will handle bottles rocks etc. You can get DAY / Night cameras in this range also as i have one, although they are quite expensive. Also it will nee IR lighting or floodlighting, you may be able to get away with a floodlight for the front of your property on a PIR and and IR lamp (probably a spot, or medium beam) for over the road.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 06:11 PM

Peter James, on Jan 2 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

I could sell you a Vantage Sony chiped true day/night dome with ir leds& vf lense, (mounted at street level you will get a good view of this side of the road and dependant on obstructions not to bad the other side (picture small and wont be lit))

And an entry level dvr which would give you seven days of very good recordings, lan, and remote view, (fixed ip required)

All the psu's and cable and unlimmitted tech support for around �500.00 plus vat.

DVR pictured HERE Tv combo included.

That represents good value - I like Sony based boards and day/night varifocal will be very useful.
Darnit I'm not even on commission either

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 06:31 PM

pete would you not recomend using a dvr with cd-w LJD do a 4 channel dedicated lite model with cd-w and and lan features and not use a combi tv. This could then be patched into the main living room tv for veiwing or a tv in the master bedroom.

Edited by Lurch, 02 January 2006 - 06:33 PM.

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#34 Guest_matopia_*

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:06 PM

Peter James, on Jan 2 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

I could sell you a Vantage Sony chiped true day/night dome.

When you say Vantage Sony true day/night dome, can you give me an example of one or spec sheet of the device? (what it offers, range etc) Why is it chipped? As opposed to something that is not chipped? What does that mean?

Peter James, on Jan 2 2006, 05:58 PM, said:

(mounted at street level you will get a good view of this side of the road and dependant on obstructions not to bad the other side (picture small and wont be lit))

What does mounted at street level mean? How high up on the wall?
What does picture small and won't be lit mean?

I'll certainly have a think about your offer.

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Mike

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:11 PM

matopia, on Jan 2 2006, 07:06 PM, said:

Why is it chipped? As opposed to something that is not chipped? What does that mean?

All cameras are chipped, basically referring to the chip doing the work in the camera (a la PC CPU type of thing). So a Vantage with Sony chip is a Vantage branded camera with Sony chip.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 07:30 PM

Service Engineer, on Jan 2 2006, 05:37 PM, said:

Entry level DVR
An essential item for CCTV systems.This 160gig hard disk, 4 camera digital recorder with CD writer to put evidence on to give to the police. It is ideal to replace old video machine recorders.Can be swapped over in ten minutes. Network connection supported.There are no tapes to change daily and gives higher quality digital images. This unit can record 4 cameras at once and can record for several weeks depending on the number of frames per second you require. Can be programmed to re- record over disk from the beginning again automatically when full, simply switch on and forget!

Flippin eBay, but not a bad little unit.

and a couple of these should do.
eBay Again

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I had a look at that DVR, and it's ideal.. I really like it.

And you think those dome cameras are fine for my purpose. I was surprised at their price.

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:04 PM

That DVR is fairly descent, and manufactured by LJD as mentioned above in Pete's post.

As for the camera, well i'm in the process of deciding wether to get one myself, or try out these cheaper Sharp based one's.

eBay listing for the Sharp (or is it sony) Day/Night Cam

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:11 PM

Peter James, on Jan 2 2006, 08:07 PM, said:

I have already recomended he use a Leviathan but his budget is �500 the machine with the TV combo is on offer this month otherwise it would come in well over �500.

They dont do this machine (on offer) with the cdr, so again it would come in way over budget.

I have sold this unit as a budget unit and was suprised with its vfm, the combo can record the recording to tape, and as its a short play you loose no quality, and the old bill can loose the tape if they like cus you can make as many copies as you like.

Pete

.... and does have the advantage that the end user will know how to make a recording of any event. Maybe it is just us, but we find that almost every time a client needs to record something to CD, they have to get us out to do it for them... :no:

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Posted 02 January 2006 - 08:13 PM

Lurch, on Jan 2 2006, 05:09 PM, said:

I'd steer clear of the IP cameras for now. for what you can buy a semi-decent IP camera for you can get a decent conventional camera and DVR with LAN.

Obviously if you are going to use 2 cameras then this price gap will increase making it seem even more un-feasible economically.

Right, I am still staying clear of IP Cameras but found this on gadspot.co.uk and for 328GBP was thinking Is there something wrong with it? Almost half the price of that dome IP camera I was originally looking at, and it's Pan & Tilt. Of course it does not have to be pan and tilt, but I was just wondering.