28 replies to this topic

[magpye]

Yes, I know it's old (very,1968) but I still need the user manual, well, page two only, the one showing how to change the user code, or Keycode as Shorrock call it.

It's in section 2.1.3, I've got all the rest but this page got ripped at sometime in the past and I'm missing the top half, too many bits of paper in the same box, and the bit I want has gone!

If anyone has these details I would be very grateful,

magpye

[PJF]

Hi Magpye,

I work for Initial and even I havent got a manual on that thing. I will try and get the info tommorrow for you off some of the old timers.They may be old but there is still a few of them out there. I had the pleasure on sunday after the lightning of trying to prog one (without the manual).

[magpye]

PJF, thanks for that.

By the way, I'm one of the 'old timers' been at it for 30yrs+, ask your guys if any remember the Model 88, 89 or 91 Tele-Alarm, SID 27s Seismic Detector or 23p PSU (got the paperwork for these!!!!!)

magpye

[kgilly]

I'm not 100% but isn't it code # and then new code???
try it

[magpye]

kgilly,

thanks for that, sounds right but, I'd rather know, best to ring the customer with 'do this' rather than 'do this, see if it works', if you see what I mean.

magpye

[Selsport69]

I am sure it is Code #. It is * to isolate zones..

The 1500 didnt have any programming to it. It was all done via cutting resistors or links on the main PCB. The only thing you can programme via the keypad was the codes.

One of the easier Shorrock panels.

Try doing the 1600 not the KS1600 with out a programming card. Now thats fun.

[kgilly]

i'm gathering you never see a shorrock 72 4 zone panel keyswitch or the one with the solinoid so you can't turn the keyswitch to on while the system is in fault???

[PJF]

Magpye,

I havent forgot. Im meeting an engineer at the office tomorrow and he has a reference card that shows how to prog a 1600. He did try to explain over the phone but it seems a bit long winded. I will post tomorrow

PJF

[magpye]

Well, I'm sorry, could not think of the model number for one of those, know how to fix them though, take the covers off the relays and give them a good blow - if they ever went wrong that is.

Once installed a multicircuit, about 8/10 boxes (100 or so cts.)with great big rotary switches for isolation etc, and two 'pea' bulbs to each circuit.

If I hunt hard enough, I might even have some paperwork if any one needs it for fault finding!!!!! - I bet it would still work today even after 25+ years. how many of todays panels will be working in 25+ years, not many, if any.

magpye

ps

Who renmembers the old Acorn control panels from, I think, Cornwall. Both battery only and a mains version?

[PJF]

I think that Ive heard of the acorn panels, did they come in wooden boxes and only had a key switch on the front.

Some of the old stuff was built to last, apart from not liking surges,lightning etc they seem to last 15+ years no problem. I have spent many a happy couple of hours trying to fix the latter model shorrocks & securicor panels, most of them do tend to come back to life and stay ok.

[Nova-Security]

No mention of one of the first muliplexed panels, the 2000 and the CATS coded alarm transmitters, Acorn at the time a great little panel, why did they have that dull green and brown colour scheme for their early panels like the 72

[magpye]

Oh dear, started something here didn't I?

Well if we are all going to reminisce what about A&G BS80, AES Autodial 271L, G.Lowe PC39, MGR100A, Sesco S190 Control, Spectre Euromaster and more and more and .......

magpye

[Paul Giles]

Genesis? Old 80's Scruffycore panel.

[bellman]

magpye, on Jun 23 2005, 09:17 PM, said:

Oh dear, started something here didn't I?

Well if we are all going to reminisce what about A&G BS80, AES Autodial 271L, G.Lowe PC39, MGR100A, Sesco S190 Control, Spectre Euromaster and more and more and .......

magpye

I'm not as old as you guys
But I remember the A&G BS80, The first panel I ever played with.
fiddled with some BS80 super's as well.

I came across an old metal cased logic four in a buttie shop last month

Regards

Bellman

[An Engineer]

I've seen a few of the old Group 4 panels (various models - don't ask which ones) and have the displeasure of having to service these twice a year. Never get called out to them though.

[PJF]

Magpye try this, its taken from a shorrock programing guide.

Enter the prog mode

<> option 8 ent

<> cycle through keycodes

^ select keycode type

<> options OFF, 19 master, 20 normal, 21 all on, 22 area 1, 23 area 2,
24 area 1 on, 25 area 2 on,

^ selects option

Hope this helps, I have never been into the prog side of a 1600 so this is as
clear as mud to me.

[Selsport69]

The old 72 series panel was probably one of their best panels. Built to last. Although you open some of them up and a pile of sid boards or zone splitters would fall out in front of you. The other thing with Shorrock everything was always relays. I remember getting called out to a site and I asked the guy where his panel was and he said over there. It was a cupboard with a keyswitch and a couple of leds. Open the door and it was full of relay boards. What fun I had that night.
As for their newer stuff, I was one of the first to fit the 1600 panel up North along with the big 170 white basin bell box. Mind you it was easier and lighter to put up. 1600 had many problems to it like the final set button having a high resistance and locking out the keypad. 2000 & 2100 was an installers dream and a service mans nightmare. Easy for the installer to fit cats anywhere but try finding a fault when half your cats go RF failed. Had it once at a large supermarket was there most of the night and it turned out to be a cat that was no where near the circuits that went into fault.

Those were the days lol

[magpye]

I'm enjoying this,

Sunthorne ACP-2D, Solfan 1100 Control, Radiovisor Monive Panels, how about some realy obscure panels - Brocks RAED, Brocks pre'74 with 'traffic lights', Mather & Platt 20 Series, Maxim Control Panel, Selmar (no, not the car alarm), YTA, Songuard, I could go on but I think I'll save a few for another day.

Perhaps we could reminisce about old detectors as well, a few to start you off >> Westool MWD, Cerberus Seismic Detector, Frowds Pulsonic USD System, Radartron Invisible Radar, that'll do for starters, your turn now.

magpye

Edited by magpye, 24 June 2005 - 04:55 PM.

[magpye]

PJF,
I'm sorry, thanks for that, I think I'll go and have a look rather than a phone call now, I'm not so sure about your instructions though, I think kgilly is nearer the mark with his suggestion, let you know next week.

magpye

[mr silcox]

i uploaded a 1500 manual ages ago should be there somewere