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CCTV in Schools, Nursery's or other Public Places.

Started by morph , Mar 13 2005 02:24 PM

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#41 ian.cant

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:03 PM

Service Engineer, on Mar 13 2005, 10:57 PM, said:

? is that a serious question..?

Damm right it is!

Ive yet to be given an answer to previous question, which was....

As an installer of CCTV (not intuder alarm) why do i need to be vetted to work in a school or nursery out of hours?

You can expand that to read any premises really.

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#42 Brian c

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:04 PM

Ifsec's gonna be fun
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If you don't know......ask.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:04 PM

incase ive been misunderstood the topic here is nurserys/schools...so this is what i and every parent would expect....as a visitor to schools/nurserys in normal and out of hours ive had access to offices which holds alot of info,even the secretarys office has postit notes of childrens names address;s and special needs....whether you fit alarms.cctv paint the walls or clean the floors,when i send my kids to school i EXPECT as a right they will be safe,i EXPECT that any one coming to that school and having access to them or their info be it teachers,caretakers or workman are straight as a die.......i EXPECT them home at 3.30 pm safe and well...
i for one am sick and tired of reading about kids being raped and murdered every day...so if it takes everyone who will ever think about setting foot in a school to do what ever get vetted...so the doubters get ******* real...........my kids mean everthing and more and so do yours...

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#44 Brian c

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:05 PM

ian.cant, on Mar 13 2005, 11:03 PM, said:

Damm right it is!

Ive yet to be given an answer to previous question, which was....

As an installer of CCTV (not intuder alarm) why do i need to be vetted to work in a school or nursery out of hours?

You can expand that to read any premises really.

You don't.
I thought we had agreed that and were now talking about inhours?

If you don't know......ask.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:07 PM

Brian c, on Mar 13 2005, 11:04 PM, said:

Ifsec's gonna be fun
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Yeah, luckily no-one knows what I look like so I can stand back and watch you all get ejected :police:

from the premises for battering each other. :stab:

Can't wait!

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#46 Service Engineer

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:09 PM

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As an installer of CCTV (not intuder alarm) why do i need to be vetted to work in a school or nursery out of hours?

Ok lets say your given a local job, your in the right business and given a perfect oppurtunity, so you go ahead and do your job and in the process you fit an extra wireless camera ot two in convenient places. So upon opening your all set up and raring to go.

Whats to stop you doing this..?

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#47 ian.cant

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:11 PM

I take it you dont take your kids to Mcdonalds birthday parties as the staff there aint vetted?

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:13 PM

ian.cant, on Mar 13 2005, 11:11 PM, said:

I take it you dont take your kids to Mcdonalds birthday parties as the staff there aint vetted?

and what are the chances of them being left alone with them?

If you don't know......ask.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:13 PM

Service Engineer, on Mar 13 2005, 11:09 PM, said:

Whats to stop you doing this..?

What's to stop anyone doing this anywhere, whether they're an installation engineer or a cleaner?

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:13 PM

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I take it you dont take your kids to Mcdonalds birthday parties as the staff there aint vetted?

No I dont, but YES if theyre working with kids they should be vetted.

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#51 ian.cant

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:14 PM

Service Engineer, on Mar 13 2005, 11:09 PM, said:

Ok lets say your given a local job, your in the right business and given a perfect oppurtunity, so you go ahead and do your job and in the process you fit an extra wireless camera ot two in convenient places. So upon opening your all set up and raring to go.

Whats to stop you doing this..?

Whats to stop anyone from doing that? Even the parents?

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#52 Service Engineer

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:16 PM

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What's to stop anyone doing this anywhere, whether they're an installation engineer or a cleaner?

Ok vetting does rely on the offender at some stage being caught, but at least there`s much less chance of this happening if people are vetted rather than not vetted at all.

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#53 ian.cant

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:22 PM

Service Engineer, on Mar 13 2005, 11:16 PM, said:

Ok vetting does rely on the offender at some stage being caught, but at least there`s much less chance of this happening if people are vetted rather than not vetted at all.

So should the parents be vetted, after all im sure they can access the same info as the paedo's and we are assuming the paedo's are never parents right?

Oh and btw these aint my personal views on the subject, im just picking holes with the comments and statements.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:22 PM

Service Engineer, on Mar 13 2005, 11:16 PM, said:

Ok vetting does rely on the offender at some stage being caught, but at least there`s much less chance of this happening if people are vetted rather than not vetted at all.

Well, yes and no, (IMO). I think this argument expands into all other trades, not just security related ones. As I've said, I've been in schools etc... with no vetting as a sparky, but I need to be vetted if I were to be fitting alarm? What's the difference, I'm the same person, the kids are the same so what's changed?

I'm not sure what direction I'm coming from here, but I'm definitely coming from it.

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:27 PM

remember ian huntley was known to the police re-some rape..if he had been vetted maybe the soham case would never had happened....surely thats the biggest reason for vetting..vision yourselfs in a police press conference pleading for info on your missing child.....send a shiver down your spine???????too kin right it does.....

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#56 ian.cant

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:31 PM

Eng, on Mar 13 2005, 11:27 PM, said:

remember ian huntley was known to the police re-some rape..if he had been vetted maybe the soham case would never had happened....surely thats the biggest reason for vetting..vision yourselfs in a police press conference pleading for info on your missing child.....send a shiver down your spine???????too kin right it does.....

If i remember rightly they did vet him, the police just didnt do it thouroughly. They checked him out locally and the coppers in Grimsby didnt check him out properly.
So does that mean vetting doesnt work?

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Posted 13 March 2005 - 11:33 PM

ian.cant, on Mar 13 2005, 11:31 PM, said:

If i remember rightly they did vet him, the police just didnt do it thouroughly. They checked him out locally and the coppers in Grimsby didnt check him out properly.
So does that mean vetting doesnt work?

or if it had been done properly??