John 4 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 hi , i have just cut a wire to a PIR on my alarm system........actually just knicked one of the coloured wires within cable...... the internal siren sounded and it seems all power to other PIR's and main panel has been lost ....cable wires are all connected now. any ideas .... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I would suspect a fuse has blown in the panel. When was the last time the unit was serviced as this would be good time to get a professional in to give it a once over whilst hopefully repairing the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 4 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Hi yes your correct... fuse blown now it wants the engineer code which I thought was #### enter but that's not working .. so panel working but need the eng code again any ideas and thanks for reply hiw much is a service ?? Edited October 17, 2017 by sixwheeledbeast Removed code Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The installer would use there own code in the system. We do not give out codes, manuals or defaulting information here for security reasons. If you can't contact the original maintainer, I would recommend you call a few local companies and inquire about a service. Karisma's are quite an old panel now, I have known even well maintained ones to have iD biscuits fail and NVM issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 4 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 I don't know original installer ... there must be some way of putting in a new engineer code ..... thats all it seems to need ..... anyone know how ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, John 4 said: I don't know original installer ... there must be some way of putting in a new engineer code ..... thats all it seems to need ..... anyone know how ?? Well you will need to default the system which may mean reprogramming it , you could pay someone to do once over and provide you with it , but if it's cost excersice then may reflect what your trying to protect meaning it's low priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aissecur Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) in order to change the engineer code (if unknown) it will mean a full default of the system and would require it being fully re- programmed from scratch. Unless you are fully ofay with alarms and competent I strongly suggest this is carried out by a competent alarm engineer. Edited October 17, 2017 by aissecur spelling mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSE Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 You could get someone to default the engineer & user codes only, no need for a full default. A decent alarm co / engineer could default them within no time at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 5 hours ago, PSE said: You could get someone to default the engineer & user codes only, no need for a full default. A decent alarm co / engineer could default them within no time at all. Are you sure? I didnt think you could with ADE panels, its been a long time since I did any programming mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Think it's a full default on these, it's the manager code you can reset via procedure , engineer is full default I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 4 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Ok it's asking for the engineer code which according to manual should be #### but for some reason that's not working .... so looks like I'll have to get alarm specialist out to take a look ....... shame I thought someone on this site could give me a solution....... Edited October 17, 2017 by datadiffusion Code hidden AGAIN. OP please stop putting engineer codes in public as per forum rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, John 4 said: so looks like I'll have to get alarm specialist out to take a look ....... there's Karizma, Karizma+ & a Karzima UDL even if we fitted it we'd have little interest in supporting it, You'll be lucky if you can find someone who'll supports the cabling 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 32 minutes ago, John 4 said: Ok it's asking for the engineer code which according to manual should be #### but for some reason that's not working .... This code is the default code, which we ask you not to post as per forum rules. It will have been changed by the original installer. Can you see the potential problem if it was not changed...? 32 minutes ago, John 4 said: so looks like I'll have to get alarm specialist out to take a look ....... This is an obsolete system prone to sudden failure. I have replaced many, usually they fail at 3am with sirens blazing, or perhaps during a holiday. 32 minutes ago, John 4 said: Shame I thought someone on this site could give me a solution....... The solution is to default the system, though not the best one. We don't give that information out on here, you would rightly be very annoyed if a burglar could simply log in here and gain access to your system, surely? 2 Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 4 Posted October 17, 2017 Author Share Posted October 17, 2017 You can find the engineer code within 2 minutes but clearly whoever installed the alarm has changed that default code anyway this site has given me no useful answers so I'll be withdrawing from it very disappointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 1 minute ago, John 4 said: You can find the engineer code within 2 minutes but clearly whoever installed the alarm has changed that default code anyway this site has given me no useful answers so I'll be withdrawing from it very disappointing Glad we could be of service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, John 4 said: You can find the engineer code within 2 minutes but clearly whoever installed the alarm has changed that default code anyway this site has given me no useful answers so I'll be withdrawing from it very disappointing Excellent you answered your own question, £104 question . Ps , means you found the manual and know how to default the panel and can programme it , easy as that Edited October 17, 2017 by al-yeti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, John 4 said: You can find the engineer code within 2 minutes but clearly whoever installed the alarm has changed that default code They would be stupid not too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21ninja Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 13 minutes ago, John 4 said: You can find the engineer code within 2 minutes but clearly whoever installed the alarm has changed that default code anyway this site has given me no useful answers so I'll be withdrawing from it very disappointing The useful answer was already given below in red 39 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: This code is the default code, which we ask you not to post as per forum rules. It will have been changed by the original installer. Can you see the potential problem if it was not changed...? This is an obsolete system prone to sudden failure. I have replaced many, usually they fail at 3am with sirens blazing, or perhaps during a holiday. The solution is to default the system, though not the best one. We don't give that information out on here, you would rightly be very annoyed if a burglar could simply log in here and gain access to your system, surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 26 minutes ago, John 4 said: Very disappointing To be fair this pretty much sums up the Karizma and iD wiring with the benefit of hindsight. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I was just about to offer some sterling advice, ah well, never mind. 1 Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSE Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 4 hours ago, PeterJames said: Are you sure? I didnt think you could with ADE panels, its been a long time since I did any programming mind. Yes, Karizma can be done, default user and engineer only. There is a choice of P pins that do a specific job. that all I’m saying in public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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