RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, al-yeti said: All sorted , good to know you found a solution Yes. This has been very helpful. Cleared up my initial question vis a vis the wiring. But I do need to take a look at the "breaking glass" option as well. I will be testing before implementing the final choice of sensor. Either on a bench or perhaps replace one sensor and test in situ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Had nothing but issues with those Honeywell detectors the older ones were better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Lwillis said: the older ones were better IMO. +1 way, way better Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, Lwillis said: Had nothing but issues with those Honeywell detectors the older ones were better IMO. did you enable the Doppler bit only? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalaxyGuy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Lwillis said: Had nothing but issues with those Honeywell detectors the older ones were better IMO. What type of problems ? Anti mask ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 3 hours ago, GalaxyGuy said: The dual technology sensor is not designed to be more sensitive, but less so. It's designed to reduce false alarms by requiring both PIR and Microwave technologies to trigger together in order to activate the zone. You need to look at break glass or vibration sensors to detect the brick. The Honeywell Flexguard glass detectors and Viper vibration sensors are decent devices. Most alarm detection devices are 12v DC with clean contacts, so are interchangable. Only the wireless devices are vendor specific due to the varying protocols and frequencies being used. I intend to connect these sensors to a 12v DC adapter and test their response on the bench and see what the difference is. It will be an interesting exercise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Have fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, RayPooley said: I intend to connect these sensors to a 12v DC adapter and test their response on the bench and see what the difference is. It will be an interesting exercise. Looking at trip advisor, Is the broken windows a comment on the customer service ? 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, RayPooley said: I intend to connect these sensors to a 12v DC adapter and test their response on the bench and see what the difference is. It will be an interesting exercise. Bench testing will hardly be beneficial for testing brick throwing but it's sensible wiring things up on a bench first before jumping into a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 13 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said: Bench testing will hardly be beneficial for testing brick throwing but it's sensible wiring things up on a bench first before jumping into a project. If it is going to work at all I would expect it to work with a ball,or something else, as well as a brick. It only has to be a moving object. i'm not going to be lobbing bricks around my lab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 21 minutes ago, MrHappy said: Looking at trip advisor, Is the broken windows a comment on the customer service ? I am just reading this: http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/privacy/ .. and wondering whether you can be trusted with members' private data. Who do I speak to about that? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, RayPooley said: And wondering whether you can be trusted with members' private data. Who do I speak to about that? John Carstairs (@jonno1966) is our compliance and complaints officer Edited August 14, 2017 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 hour ago, RayPooley said: Yes. This has been very helpful. Cleared up my initial question vis a vis the wiring. But I do need to take a look at the "breaking glass" option as well. I will be testing before implementing the final choice of sensor. Either on a bench or perhaps replace one sensor and test in situ. Amazing, that you didn't get why I said what I said When will you post test results , do you have break glass detector yet? And what's difference between break glass and shocks ? Still don't get why you don't just spend a bit more but just the way it is 18 minutes ago, RayPooley said: If it is going to work at all I would expect it to work with a ball,or something else, as well as a brick. It only has to be a moving object. i'm not going to be lobbing bricks around my lab. What lab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: John Carstairs (@jonno1966) is our compliance and complaints officer Thanks DD. Does John have an email address that I can send a private message to? Where can I find it? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, al-yeti said: Amazing, that you didn't get why I said what I said When will you post test results , do you have break glass detector yet? And what's difference between break glass and shocks ? Still don't get why you don't just spend a bit more but just the way it is What lab "Amazing, that you didn't get why I said what I said" huh? Not yet. Just heard about them from a member. Break glass and shocks? Not sure what you mean. I am spending a bit more.On sensors. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, RayPooley said: I am just reading this: http://www.thesecurityinstaller.co.uk/community/privacy/ .. and wondering whether you can be trusted with members' private data. Who do I speak to about that? Ray, didn't you share my data that you took from your own website on TSI for the whole world to see, not sure I saw any privacy policy or legal compliance stated on your website, please feel free to advise what went wrong on your data protection mishap... You have lots of info all over the net, name, addresses, telephone number CV ect... most of it on your website ! I have the cafe's name, address co. no, director, links to another co. duff reviews for the cafe on google & trip advisor It all out their in the public domain, I've neither posted it or linked to it. 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, MrHappy said: Ray, didn't you share my data that you took from your own website on TSI for the whole world to see, not sure I saw any privacy policy or legal compliance stated on your website, please feel free to advise what went wrong on your data protection mishap... You have lots of info all over the net, name, addresses, telephone number CV ect... most of it on your website ! I have the cafe's name, address co. no, director, links to another co. duff reviews for the cafe on google & trip advisor It all out their in the public domain, I've neither posted it or linked to it. Well, here's the thing. You quoted in one comment the port numbers from which I am posting comments. You don't get those off the net. You get those from log files. In your first posted comment on this thread you went out of your way to use your system access privileges to look up my personal details and then proceed to make me aware that you had done so by means of pseudo cryptic commentary. I have no idea why you felt the need to do that and do it in response to a comment that I made to another member. Not you.. Still, I'm a hairy bloke so no problem. But if I were a female somebody might think that a little worrying. But whether you think it a problem or not is irrelevant. You are abusing your access privileges and for that I think you should have them removed. What do you think? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, RayPooley said: "Amazing, that you didn't get why I said what I said" huh? Not yet. Just heard about them from a member. Break glass and shocks? Not sure what you mean. I am spending a bit more.On sensors. :-) Classic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, RayPooley said: Well, here's the thing. You quoted in one comment the port numbers from which I am posting comments. You don't get those off the net. You get those from log files. I have no access to any log files on TSI 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, RayPooley said: Well, here's the thing. You quoted in one comment the port numbers from which I am posting comments. You don't get those off the net. You get those from log files. In your first posted comment on this thread you went out of your way to use your system access privileges to look up my personal details and then proceed to make me aware that you had done so by means of pseudo cryptic commentary. I have no idea why you felt the need to do that and do it in response to a comment that I made to another member. Not you.. Still, I'm a hairy bloke so no problem. But if I were a female somebody might think that a little worrying. But whether you think it a problem or not is irrelevant. You are abusing your access privileges and for that I think you should have them removed. What do you think? Wow how come those quals ain't working , Now what lab won't you throw bricks around in? Thought it was a cafe 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MrHappy said: I have no access to any log files on TSI Like I said, you don't get port numbers from the net. 1 minute ago, al-yeti said: Wow how come those quals ain't working , Now what lab won't you throw bricks around in? Thought it was a cafe I don't live in the cafe.... and you lost me again with this "Wow how come those quals ain't working," Edited August 14, 2017 by RayPooley 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 Just now, RayPooley said: Like I said, you don't get port numbers from the net. I don't live in the cafe. Can they be retrieved from your website when you have logged in? If your good enough of course 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 (edited) That info is available to anyone. Surely an alarm expert with more degrees than a circle and an it consulting business would know that? milk and 2 in mine. Edited August 14, 2017 by petrolhead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayPooley Posted August 14, 2017 Author Share Posted August 14, 2017 1 minute ago, al-yeti said: Can they be retrieved from your website when you have logged in? If your good enough of course No. 2 minutes ago, petrolhead said: That info is available to anyone. Surely an alarm expert with more degrees than a circle and an it consulting business would know that? milk and 2 in mine. 2 minutes ago, petrolhead said: That info is available to anyone. Surely an alarm expert with more degrees than a circle and an it consulting business would know that? milk and 2 in mine. The port information is not available to anyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrolhead Posted August 14, 2017 Share Posted August 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, RayPooley said: No. The port information is not available to anyone. The port information is available to anyone with fing or similar on their phone, or Web based tools like yougetsignal. Very basic stuff for a computer application designer and developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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