Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 So I'm installing my alarm at home it's a bungalow and fitting a pyronix euro 46 app hard wired. So question is can I run the whole system with just window sensors and door contacts rather than PIRs . I have a very active cat and I'm not sure even pet PIRs are any good ?. What's people's thoughts or recommendations ? Many thanks Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Pet PIRs can be very good, esp. if a single cat I would have no hesitation in recommending two Vanderbilt PIR's - (IR120c or e-line) the only drawback being both are effectively discontinued due to changes in ownership. I'm sure others can make a recommendation though? Perimeter protection is a good idea, but needs to be done properly and ideally internal doors should be locked. Without an expander you will very quickly run out of zones too, as I would personally only fit one device per zone, in the old days it would be common to have an entire floor on one zone of window/door contacts. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 You can connect whatever detection you want to your alarm. You need to bear in mind that contacts will only operate if the frame is opened. If "window sensors" mean shock sensors, consider bird strike and cats jumping on the window ledges. Coverage on perimeter is generally less so you need to design the system around this. Perimeter protection in the areas with pets and movement detection in other areas is recommended. I have had good results with Bosch Blu pet sensors but using a movement sensor and asking it to ignore certain movement is not ideal. A good option would be installing movement and perimeter protection in the areas required and using panel programming to control the enabled sensors. This will need planning, good knowledge of the equipment and increase the cost of the system, but well worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Bosch Blueline dual techs read the instructions and youll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 Great thanks for replying. So I really need PIRs then that's fine was just finding out alternatives. Understand with the shock sensors and bird/cat strikes. So the Bosch ones I assume it's these ones blueline gen 2 tritech as can't find any due tech . https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/movement-detectors-c-36_116/all-c-36_116_37/bosch-blue-line-gen-2-bld2-pet-tritech-blueline-detector-p-2392.html Don't think I need to go as far as perimeter . Thanks again Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 41 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Bosch Blueline dual techs read the instructions and youll be fine Nah not with jumping cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 Ha ok this is why I find it so hard to decide what to get. So many different people recommend different things. What would you say Al Yeti Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I've used these in the past; not so good for dogs but 2 x cats, inc. ones that were all over the furniture, no issues... https://www.riscogroup.com/uk/products/product/2863 Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 Ok great must be good as expensive compared to the Bosch ones Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 They are dual techs so use heat as well as doppler to detect objects. Whilst a cat will of course still show up on doppler (microwave) the combination of the two signals allows the sensor to make much better informed decisions. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 32 minutes ago, Mark Rider said: Ha ok this is why I find it so hard to decide what to get. So many different people recommend different things. What would you say Al Yeti Mark These guys probably know better, but I tried the Bosch ones with active cat and didn't work , had to go with perimeter protection in one room where cats found places to jump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) So in theory any dual text will work with a cat. ? Edited July 21, 2017 by Mark Rider Spelt wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 No. Dual Tech Pet is what's suggested but none are guaranteed to work hence why they are all sold as "pet friendly". Never had an issue with sensible location of Bosch ones here for both active cats and dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Mark Rider said: So in theory any dual text will work with a cat. ? No... it would still have to have a 'pet program'. Dualtechs are more stable than PIRs alone in environmental conditions but on its own this has nothing to do with pet tolerence. Edited July 21, 2017 by datadiffusion Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 my advice would be perimeter protection. Plenty of vibration detectors, depending on window /door type. pet sensors are a bodge designed to save money over having to use perimiter. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 Great thanks for replying. I don't know much about perimeter protection what's the crack. What's the best stuff to get Many thanks Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 Do a plan of your bungalow inc. all doors and windows then upload it, would be the best start Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Mark Rider said: I don't know much about perimeter protection what's the crack. As in detection fitted to the perimeter of the room comprehensive enough to detect a break in. This could be a combination of different detection to detect entry to the room. Contacts, Shocks, Active Beams etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 10 hours ago, Mark Rider said: Great thanks for replying. So I really need PIRs then that's fine was just finding out alternatives. Understand with the shock sensors and bird/cat strikes. So the Bosch ones I assume it's these ones blueline gen 2 tritech as can't find any due tech . https://www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/intruder-alarm-c-36/movement-detectors-c-36_116/all-c-36_116_37/bosch-blue-line-gen-2-bld2-pet-tritech-blueline-detector-p-2392.html Don't think I need to go as far as perimeter . Thanks again Mark I forgot they tried to be clever and called them tri techs they are the ones, follow the instructions they will be absolutely fine. I had a big dog jumping around on a bed to get snacks I had thrown on there. They are the best pet tolerant detector available 10 hours ago, al-yeti said: Nah not with jumping cats They are fine so long as you install them correctly, the animal must not be able to get within six foot of the detector, dont point them at stairs, I have hundred of them out there with no problems at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 I know what your saying pete but is still maintain perimeter protection is better. 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 So perimeter in a living room with patio doors and a big window. What would you run for that ? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 37 minutes ago, james.wilson said: I know what your saying pete but is still maintain perimeter protection is better. Agreed but perimeter protection would be better with, or without pets. However, its much harder to put siesmic detectors on every window and door, without having wires everywhere. I know that you have never been a fan of pet tolerant motion sensors, I used to be very sceptical, but I was very impressed with the bluelines when they first came out, and have never looked back, they just work. 38 minutes ago, Mark Rider said: So perimeter in a living room with patio doors and a big window. What would you run for that ? Mark A siesmic detector to the wind frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Mark Rider said: So perimeter in a living room with patio doors and a big window. What would you run for that ? Mark vibe x2 on the patio with a combined. Big window I dunno, is it a bay, plastic etc? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Rider Posted July 21, 2017 Author Share Posted July 21, 2017 The window is same side as patio doors and plastic . Not sure what to do now as sound like the Bosch PIRs are good then others say perimeter is better lol. Mark Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 22 minutes ago, Mark Rider said: The window is same side as patio doors and plastic . Not sure what to do now as sound like the Bosch PIRs are good then others say perimeter is better lol. Mark Mark Sounds as if you could do both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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