MrHappy Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 36 minutes ago, datadiffusion said: For all the future hastle better off just upgrading panel to same as your wireless choice, can't be much extra by the time you've splashed out on devices + RX (I assume universal RX dearer than expander). Doesn't the Euro Mini handle a single Pyronix expander? 46 or 280 endstation is about the same as his current controls & keypad £60ish premium to do is the easy way... 1 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonkem Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share Posted July 12, 2017 Thank you for all the constructive comments, so glad I'm posting in the DIY section and not passing myself off as a professional installer. Maybe it's because I'm posting in the DIY section that very few of you bothered to read the original post and instead try to show just how much more you know about alarms than someone posting in this section. Does it make you feel superior? The simple system was installed, complete & working. What's more, every function it was capable of, was easy for the householder to operate, not confusing and didn't need a security installer to explain to him every few hours. Thousands and thousands G4 panels have been installed and the simple (not new) technology employed is tried & tested and when an intrusion occurs they make the bell sound. They are easy to install and easy to understand, Is there something wrong with that for a DIY'er? The expansion into wireless, after the installation, was due to the householder not accepting any visible cables and there being no access through the 2 extensions added to the property since the previous non functioning system was installed. These new areas where never going to be included within the system originally so adapting the final available zone to wireless was the only available option that would save the newly installed panel. £44 for the UR2, so all you experts can tell me how much cheaper than that a new combined wired & wireless panel would be. As simlec says, faults within the wireless zones will trigger a tamper within the wired panel, clearly shown on the LCD keypad and exactly the same as if there was a tamper on the hardwired system. Could a householder diagnose & rectify that at 2am? The UR2 also displays the event history for alarm (inputs), tamper (inputs or UR2), low battery (inputs), supervision (inputs), disarm (UR2) & arm (UR2). Not easy for the householder to get the history but better than not having coverage in the whole property. In any case if he has a tamper alert he won't be working out what's caused it, he'll be calling me. Once again thank you to simlec for your guidance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Jk Do you fully accept liability for what you have done, or did you assume you have no liability cos you did your customer a favour. Id agree that members (including myself) can say things some don't like to hear. When you have an insurance company (not your client) sueing you for poor advice and or professional incompetence you might rethink. But your happy with some of the comments made, unhappy with most it would appear. But it is those ones that will in hindsight be remembered. just to be clear your clients insurance co will want to blame you for 'failure to perform', it wont be your client 2 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 as a side note I assumed you were passing yourself off as a professional installer. I obviously got that wrong 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I find customers just love confusing sequences of flashing lights to indicate some arbitrary problem, anything from set fail to tamper, and pretty much hate such modern fangled nonsense like a keypad that accepts the devils tokens and speaks to them in plain English like some sort of electronic witch. That said, maybe you're from Somerset too. 1 Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antinode Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Quite a bit of kit to be hanging off an Accenta... 1 Quote Trade Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, jonkem said: Does it make you feel superior? Thousands and thousands G4 panels have been installed and the simple (not new) technology employed is tried & tested and when an intrusion occurs they make the bell sound. Your controls are a bag of shit which don't meet any std, blunt but true... 3 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 You can find all sorts of stuff that works perfect world, but when its actually needed who knows? you can find info like that here a lot of it doesnt 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 29 minutes ago, MrHappy said: Your controls are a bag of shit which don't meet any std, blunt but true... You missed out 'but coupled with Pyronix wireless might win an award for Britain's Most Anachronistic Burglar Alarm 2017'. Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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