sixwheeledbeast Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Yes, it would be 8 for pre-EN. However, I was making the point that you can't just load a panel up to the maximum the PSU will take or the maximum from the manual then expect everything to be fine. There could be a 1.2Ah battery in there for all we know... The bell trig shouldn't have much extra load so you shouldn't overload the TRIG output. I wouldn't have two SAB's on any panel without additional PSU TBH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 1 hour ago, datadiffusion said: I thought the 9600 - for some reason - didn't suffer in the same way as the 9800 with the EEPROM trouble, or am I talking bobbins? 9600 just died Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 I told you the battery in the panel is a 7ah, you obviously didn't read my post properly, I gave you the whole spec for this panel. Never mind I will just run the second bell as an SCB just to keep the load to a minimum, 840mA sounds more reasonable. I would imagine the 40C 800mA ambient temparature part is redundant seeing as I do not live in spain and as panel is not mounted in the airing cupboard. One more come to think of it, is sab worth the extra fuss over an additional power supply? is scb still loud enough to scare someone off?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 1 hour ago, CR Alarms said: I told you the battery in the panel is a 7ah, you obviously didn't read my post properly, I gave you the whole spec for this panel. Obviously an avid reader.. 1 Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Lol very funny, but can we get serious now please, I appreciate that you shouldn't load a panel up to its max rating and expect it to work fine. But this panel is rated to 1250mA the maximum current I will draw from it will be 1049mA in an alarm condition(if new souder is set to sab) so I would not be overloading the panel and I would have 201mA left to spare on the system, I appreciate that you shouldn't overload the bell output either that is why I would like to know it rating, I would of thought as you guys had experience of these systems you may know? In reality would this system cope with 1049mA in an alarm condition?. Could there be another way to drive this bell in sab? Perhaps draw its power from the aux supply outputs and use a small relay triggered by bell trigger so it will not load its output?. I would really like to avoid an additional power supply. Thanks Edited February 3, 2017 by CR Alarms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 i dont know the panel but outputs are usually 400mA or less Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 16 hours ago, CR Alarms said: I told you the battery in the panel is a 7ah, you obviously didn't read my post properly I did read your later post correctly. I was explaining the reasoning behind my initial post. Maybe re-read what I have posted as clearly the point of calculating standby time has gone unnoticed. 16 hours ago, CR Alarms said: I gave you the whole spec for this panel. Never mind I will just run the second bell as an SCB just to keep the load to a minimum, 840mA sounds more reasonable. There is no "spec" for the panel, merely some information copied from an old manual that is irrelevant to the point I was making above. Either way running the second bell as SCB would be the correct choice IMO. 16 hours ago, CR Alarms said: I would imagine the 40C 800mA ambient temparature part is redundant seeing as I do not live in spain and as panel is not mounted in the airing cupboard. You would have to measure the temperature of the cab with it shut to be certain. Can't imagine anything much above 30C even with poor air flow. 16 hours ago, CR Alarms said: One more come to think of it, is sab worth the extra fuss over an additional power supply? Probably not. 16 hours ago, CR Alarms said: is scb still loud enough to scare someone off?. Probably yes. 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: but can we get serious now please I am 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: I appreciate that you shouldn't load a panel up to its max rating and expect it to work fine. But this panel is rated to 1250mA the maximum current I will draw from it will be 1049mA in an alarm condition(if new souder is set to sab) so I would not be overloading the panel and I would have 201mA left to spare on the system, You shouldn't be loading it anywhere near maximum rating, as above. 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: appreciate that you shouldn't overload the bell output either that is why I would like to know it rating, I have already said, significant extra current will not be drawn from the bell trig for the extra sounder. 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: I would of thought as you guys had experience of these systems you may know? Plenty of experience with them, from the jokes above you can see most would have it heading for the skip. 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: In reality would this system cope with 1049mA in an alarm condition?. Maybe, I wouldn't try. There pretty bombproof from experience. 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: Could there be another way to drive this bell in sab? An additional PSU like explained 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: Perhaps draw its power from the aux supply outputs and use a small relay triggered by bell trigger so it will not load its output? Eh? How does that change the system output current. You can draw approx 1A from the panel, that would be the total of all the powered devices on the system. 3 hours ago, CR Alarms said: Thanks Anytime tl;dr - I would suggest you stick the bell up in SCB, make sure you connect your tampers between the bells correctly and move on to the next job. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 Thank you, I am sorry if I offended you that was not my intention. I will run the second bellbox as an scb just to avoid any risks. I would imagine one slightly quieter sounder is much better than no alarm due to a tripped poly. In which case the total load in alarm will now be 840mA, does that sound more reasonable to you? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 If your an alarm co. you must be pulling out better controls out than your 9600? If your not check out my ebay a/c.... 2 Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CR Alarms Posted February 3, 2017 Author Share Posted February 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, MrHappy said: If your an alarm co. you must be pulling out better controls out than your 9600? If your not check out my ebay a/c.... lol yeah,no thanks but thanks anyway. The scantronic 9600 is just for my house only, it was already there when we moved in, I defaulted it and kept it maintained it all these years.I am a scantronic fan myself and usually fit 9651's and 9751's with risco pirs and either a flashguard xl or the novagard 2 for the bellbox. I wonder how old the scantronic 9600/9800 will be now? out of curiousity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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