livetofly Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Hi, I’m looking for some help. Could anyone offer any advice on the below 3 quotations received for a security system to be installed and on whether they're reliable and recommended systems. The property is a residential 5 bedroom house with 3 reception rooms. Regarding price I don't really have a budget but don't want to go for something above what is required for a residential property. I am also looking for a good system that isn't in danger of being left behind by the latest technology. I have decided on a wired system, as the property needs decorating. I have received 3 quotations from installers in my area, I left the installers to complete their own quotations based on their thoughts (rather than give them a spec) they were as follows: Scantronic I-On50 remote keypad operated control panel, 2 remote keypads (L.C.D. type, one downstairs and one upstairs), 7 Rokonet I-Wise dual element passive infrared movement detectors of 15 metre range through 90 degrees, 2 Rokonet I-Wise DT for the garage and workshop, magnetic contact to the front entrance door, Price £1180+VAT Galaxy 2/12, One SD1 Digital Speech Dialler with LCD, 9 Grade 2 Dual Technology Movement Detectors, Environmental Class II having a range of 12 meters, and has angle coverage of 85 degrees, magnetic contact to the front entrance door, : £822+VAT Upgrades: Galaxy 2-20 at additional cost £90.00 + VAT, this does include the Standalone Rio for the smoke sensors Galaxy 2/20, 7 quad type passive infra red movement detectors with a range capability of 12 x 17 metres and an angle of coverage of 85 degrees, 2 dual technology microwave passive infra red movement detectors having a range capability of 16 x 22 metres for the garage and workshop: £ 844+VAT. OPTION ONE: Supply & Install Additional Keypad upstairs: 129+VAT. Option Three: Supply and install an RF portal adjacent to control panel to allow interface of wireless peripherals (i.e. wireless fob, smoke, carbon monoxide etc). £74+VAT. Option Four: Supply and install a wireless keyfob giving full/ part set and panic alarm facility: £30+VAT We are undecided between a second remote keypad near the master bedroom upstairs or a wireless key fob. What would you recommend? The key fob has the panic button, which is a plus, but would a wireless system work better in a large house on two floors? We would also appreciate your suggestions about smoke alarms and CO sensors: we like the idea of having a system sending us messages when we are away, but we don’t know if it’s best a wireless system (i.e. Nest) connected via wifi or instead some wireless (or wired?) sensors connected to the alarm system? Is the magnetic contact to the front entrance door important? What are your thoughts on the above, I would welcome anyone input. Thanks in advance Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 All three are too cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 Id avoid speech dialers but Honeywell kit is quite good. Bear in mind kit is one bit, how its installed is more important. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 3, 2015 Author Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thanks for your reply. Would you recommend a second remote keypad near the master bedroom upstairs or a wireless key fob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Thanks for your reply. Would you recommend a second remote keypad near the master bedroom upstairs or a wireless key fob? Key fob won't tell you where the alarm has activated. Get wireless out of your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Personally, and slightly biased, the first one sounds good, if installed properly. At least they have specified the make of the detectors. I'm less militantly against wireless, but agree if you can wire, do so Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Get a hkc installed built in dialler will give you locations good monitoring options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 (edited) We would be fitting the Galaxy system. Nothing against the Scantronic Ion gear just, not used it in over 4 years. As RFS tho they so sound cheap, where abouts in the UK are you? Were the 3 quotes from SSAIB or NSI approved companies? I'd always recomend proper Monitering rather than a dialing ,last thing you want is for it not to work when it needs to, in my opinion that's more likely to happen with a dialer over pstn than with monitored communicator. Galaxy wireless is good but I'd go for the keypad rather than relying on the fob. Edited February 3, 2015 by Lwillis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I presume cabling is easy round the house? How are the companies running the cable? Under carpets etc. Agility 3 Panel All wireless zones and keypads 2 way wireless PIR's From the quotes you have received I would quote between £1300 to £1600 tbh. If you were to go I would choose option 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 I presume cabling is easy round the house? How are the companies running the cable? Under carpets etc. Agility 3 Panel All wireless zones and keypads 2 way wireless PIR's From the quotes you have received I would quote between £1300 to £1600 tbh. If you were to go I would choose option 3. I was told the normal pirs wernt 2 way or are you using the camera pirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 Galaxy is best wired panel imo , but wireless has its quirks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Thanks for all your comments. To datadiffusion: the detectors in quote 3) are Honeywell, they've attached a brochure to the quote (IS3000 and DT8000 Series) To Lwillis and RFS: the installer of the Scantronic must like obsolete systems (?), they've also offered a HDSDI CCTV system, rather than an IP. The house is in Shropshire, prices are usually lower than London and the South-East of England. All the 3 quotes are from SSAIB or NSI approved companies. To Hillybilly: the house is under renovations and they all said that cabling is pretty straightforward. I believe that it will be by lifting the old carpets and floor boards on the first floor. Any final comments about smoke alarms and CO sensors? We like the idea of having a system sending us alerts when we are away, but we don’t know if it’s best a wireless system (i.e. Nest) wifi connected or (instead) a set of wireless/wired sensors connected to the alarm system? Edited February 5, 2015 by livetofly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lwillis Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'd go for hardwired smoke detectors as per BS5839 PT6 and fit a relay unit onto the alarm system as a zone which would then give you notification of an activation (if it's monitored) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Thanks for all your comments. To datadiffusion: the detectors in quote 3) are Honeywell, they've attached a brochure to the quote (IS3000 and DT8000 Series) To Lwillis and RFS: the installer of the Scantronic must like obsolete systems (?), they've also offered a HDSDI CCTV system, rather than an IP. The house is in Shropshire, prices are usually lower than London and the South-East of England. All the 3 quotes are from SSAIB or NSI approved companies. To Hillybilly: the house is under renovations and they all said that cabling is pretty straightforward. I believe that it will be by lifting the old carpets and floor boards on the first floor. Any final comments about smoke alarms and CO sensors? We like the idea of having a system sending us alerts when we are away, but we don’t know if it’s best a wireless system (i.e. Nest) wifi connected or (instead) a set of wireless/wired sensors connected to the alarm system? Hdsdi is perfectly valid and current and does have some advantages over IP Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Re the nest thing. Id agree as a consumer it looks good but I doubt any pros have them over proper stuff. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Thanks James, you've confirmed my impression. Our electrician suggested to fit the Nest detectors but I don't like the idea, apparently the give lots of false alarms and they last only for 7 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Any smoke/Co head will require replacement in time, 7 years is a fair amount imo. The Nest is OK and will work stand alone if the WiFi drops but as with anything if you can get it hard wired it would be better. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Thanks to each of you for all your contributions. I have ordered the Galaxy 2-20 with installer 3), with a second remote keypad for upstairs (no wireless key fobs) and wired smoke sensors. Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 What monitoring are you getting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Not sure, maybe none? I think it's text messaging to three phones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Ok depending on how it's setup it's quite expensive via the tap service, granted its only per call or sms which I think via open tap is 50p per sms If they using older o2 or vodaphone centre numbers they are not always reliable I would have thought in that price there was at least a dialler of sorts or and stand alone gsm unit Is that the full detailed quote as it doesn't mention monitoring, I missed it speed reading maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 If TAP text messaging, I wouldn't call it "signalling" at all. Certainly not to be used if you want reliable messages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 The quote says: Interface to be made with telephone line which will allow SMS texting feature. The system can send event messaging to up to three mobile phones by text messaging following an alarm activation. I don't know how it will work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 In a word, it often wont Quote So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livetofly Posted February 9, 2015 Author Share Posted February 9, 2015 Mhh Should I then ask for a dialler or monitoring? I think that there is an annual fee with monitoring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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