Wireless Alarm For New Build Bungalow

[jb-eye]

You'd miss me if I topped myself

who said that?

[matthew.brough]

[norman]

lol, that'd be a mighty splat if it did give way to Matts asphyxiation sex game.

[matthew.brough]

You're not funny

[goncall]

as you might expect from a sparkie. Suspicious as I am the only bit I don't have AC calc for is the purlins, and as you would also do I have used a tek fixing through the hanger into the trunking. Trunking brackets are inverted fixed with single M8 and very large washers both side to the fog machine and because we do we proved the unit with a two man lift and short log cut of trunking. I'm happy these are going nowhere without a severe impact collision.

If you look close at the hangers you can see the tek bolt in the smoke hangers which are not present in the trunking hanger to the right. The caddy clip is specified as 70 kg with M8 and the units are less than 30kg yet I still added belt and braces.

i wasn't doubting an old school spark..honest lol,just ive seen some poor trunk brackets out there that seem to struggle holding trunk up..

ps.id have galv piped into the panel too...would have looked better

[AlarmScot]

Not averse to the suggestion . . .

Remember, what started the video / non compliant route was SSAIB told me to do one with regards how I wanted to run things because although compliant, they didn't like the idea. This is still subject of a complaint with UKAS so can't talk too much openly about it but the reason they didn't like it is because it was different to the usual model. Just because it is different, doesn't make it non compliant.

 

Now, if they had have taken off their dinosaur ways I'd be now happily sat with what everyone thinks I should have, a compliant ARC with URN's. This week another 13 URN's have gone and traditional systems removed. All I can see is an ever shrinking amount of alarm companies that insist it should be done X way but their customers are demanding Y. Ignoring what a customer wants to me is something you do at your peril.

 

Funny enough I was speaking with SSAIB regarding this complaint and as I informed them, I'm not upset about it anymore for the reason I don't need you anymore. I've found a way to breathe without needing your oxygen mask.

 

I know our company has upset a lot of the local installer companies and even finding out that some Smaller Guys tells Clients that we are not compliant or as we don't have a SSAIB badge means we don't have high standards but our clients even Home Customers trust us as we are a brand which they know within the local area anyway and I don't work for ADT or etc. 

 

I would 100% say to survive in business is if your clients are wanting X then you need to start offering X to make money.  

[matthew.brough]

I know our company has upset a lot of the local installer companies and even finding out that some Smaller Guys tells Clients that we are not compliant or as we don't have a SSAIB badge means we don't have high standards but our clients even Home Customers trust us as we are a brand which they know within the local area anyway and I don't work for ADT or etc. 

 

I would 100% say to survive in business is if your clients are wanting X then you need to start offering X to make money.

You have to be careful what accusations you band about. Just because you ain't badged doesn't mean you can't install to a published standard. Equally it means no one has externally checked that. So yeti said something that made me chuckle but was a valid point. As he isn't badged he feels he is a unhandcuffed installer meaning he views approval as somewhat restrictive rather than a benefit. Looking at what is needed to get badged is the minimum that any decent firm should have to trade but that doesn't under the current setup mean you can't work to the standards without the badge. Some (like me) view it that the relativity low fist of it makes it worth while to shut the critics up.

[Cubit]

You have to be careful what accusations you band about. Just because you ain't badged doesn't mean you can't install to a published standard. Equally it means no one has externally checked that. So yeti said something that made me chuckle but was a valid point. As he isn't badged he feels he is a unhandcuffed installer meaning he views approval as somewhat restrictive rather than a benefit. Looking at what is needed to get badged is the minimum that any decent firm should have to trade but that doesn't under the current setup mean you can't work to the standards without the badge. Some (like me) view it that the relativity low fist of it makes it worth while to shut the critics up.

And don't forget that some with a badge can't meet the standards.

[AlarmScot]

And don't forget that some with a badge can't meet the standards.

 

Oh yes.  My first job was with a Well known Security Company who had every badge but did we hell follow the code.  We were told that if we followed the rules and regs it cost more and the company know that if they left the NSI & SSIAB would be worse off than them. 

 

You have to be careful what accusations you band about. Just because you ain't badged doesn't mean you can't install to a published standard. Equally it means no one has externally checked that. So yeti said something that made me chuckle but was a valid point. As he isn't badged he feels he is a unhandcuffed installer meaning he views approval as somewhat restrictive rather than a benefit. Looking at what is needed to get badged is the minimum that any decent firm should have to trade but that doesn't under the current setup mean you can't work to the standards without the badge. Some (like me) view it that the relativity low fist of it makes it worth while to shut the critics up.

 

Like we have ISO Standards which does mean we get checked and we do a lot council jobs which means councils housing inspectors often check our work and some of them will pull us up for smallest of things.   But did make me chuckle when a women told me about what a Other Installer said to her about how her alarm was not 'legal and compliant' as were not SSAIB badged but we are as I know we got NSI badged to offer Response stuff. 

 

The guy did quote her about £750 to replace system which make it 'legal' however I have not a clue who it was but the quote sheet did make it look like it was a small company as they had a Home Address as the company office address.

Edited June 8, 2014 by AlarmScot

[matthew.brough]

And don't forget that some with a badge can't meet the standards.

Stop being such a perfectionist. You expect systems to comply with the standards badged firms issue certificates of conformity claiming they do?

Oh yes.  My first job was with a Well known Security Company who had every badge but did we hell follow the code.  We were told that if we followed the rules and regs it cost more and the company know that if they left the NSI & SSIAB would be worse off than them. 

 

 

Like we have ISO Standards which does mean we get checked and we do a lot council jobs which means councils housing inspectors often check our work and some of them will pull us up for smallest of things.   But did make me chuckle when a women told me about what a Other Installer said to her about how her alarm was not 'legal and compliant' as were not SSAIB badged but we are as I know we got NSI badged to offer Response stuff. 

 

The guy did quote her about £750 to replace system which make it 'legal' however I have not a clue who it was but the quote sheet did make it look like it was a small company as they had a Home Address as the company office address.

Few issues here. ISO 9001 is a quality standard so not much use for products meeting product installation standards. Council housing inspectors are in no position to be a recognised authority auditing to industry standards. There is nothing legal about volunteering for 3rd party auditing of your work. Unlike your response service, none of the electronic side is law (except public space CCTV)