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Just had this today from an insurer

 

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In respect of the webway signalling can you confirm the date of the installation and if it complies with LPS1277.

As I understood it LPS1277 is a third party certification scheme not yet compulsory in the UK. We changed a failed RedCare for a WW1 with the same grade, and the insurer is being a pain now. I wouldn't mind, but its a sticky label printer not exactly high end value from robbery point of view the risk is low.

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its not compulsory, doubt it will be but insurers shouldn't request band names etc, ie they shouldn't request a redcare. So they created lps1277 so they don't have to test all the devices that are out there. But the webway meets lps

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only version 2 apparently and version 3 is out now

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Hi Craig

Yes WW1 complies with LPS1277.  However, as I understand it LPS1277 is a third party certification scheme not compulsory in the UK, as such BSIA do not recognise LPS1277.

The main elements of LPS1277 are included in EN50136 and this is the standard that insurers specify not LPS1277.

I will make arrangements with Andreas for an engineer to attend site and draw up a as fitted specification.

Kind regards

Peter

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Just to confirm, we tested to V2, not V3. We very much supported the direction that the BRE wanted to enhance EN50136 with V2.

V2 led the way for amendments to EN50136 (and this remains on-going) which brought the EN standard up to the level of LPS and allowed manufacturers like us and CSL to market in the UK and Europe (BRE/LPS1277 is not recognised outside of the UK) without having to go through two separate and very costly certification processes (its the thick end of 30k + every time you test/certificate, thats a lot of communicators you have to sell to get the money back!).

We may have included V3 as a strategy if BRE had accepted test reports from our EN based test houses, but they would not, and more importantly, it would have helped if they could certificate to EN, but they did not have the necessary accreditation to do so (I believe this is still the case). That meant we would have to have tested and certificated in two places for double the money!

LPS1277 is not recognised by the BSIA, nor the NSI and its a waste of time outside of the UK (as I said above), it is not a standard either. 

Specification of systems should be via the EN standards, nothing else.

Jim Carter

WebWayOne Ltd

www.webwayone.co.uk

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