james.wilson Posted February 2, 2012 Share Posted February 2, 2012 Had another request for LPS 1277 signalling today from the insurer rather than the broker. Anyone else seeing this yet? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nexlar Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 As insurers highlight the importance of the new LPS 1277 v.3 standard for alarm-over-IP signalling systems, Chiron has confirmed that its entire IRIS Touch range has already been awarded accreditation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Lps 1277 is for all signalling products. Not just ip Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Not see Anyone else seeing this yet? Nope... Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 It was a while ago too. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Harris Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thanks for the info Nexlar, though at the same time CSL & NSI among others are busy canvassing insurers to 'advise caution regarding the use of LPS1277'. This is public not trade so I will not go into detail on the subjet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Joe can you create one in trade on the subject. I have spoken at length to Tony weeks and that is not how I understand nsi position Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Just had this today from an insurer Quote In respect of the webway signalling can you confirm the date of the installation and if it complies with LPS1277. As I understood it LPS1277 is a third party certification scheme not yet compulsory in the UK. We changed a failed RedCare for a WW1 with the same grade, and the insurer is being a pain now. I wouldn't mind, but its a sticky label printer not exactly high end value from robbery point of view the risk is low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 its not compulsory, doubt it will be but insurers shouldn't request band names etc, ie they shouldn't request a redcare. So they created lps1277 so they don't have to test all the devices that are out there. But the webway meets lps Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 only version 2 apparently and version 3 is out now Quote Hi Craig Yes WW1 complies with LPS1277. However, as I understand it LPS1277 is a third party certification scheme not compulsory in the UK, as such BSIA do not recognise LPS1277. The main elements of LPS1277 are included in EN50136 and this is the standard that insurers specify not LPS1277. I will make arrangements with Andreas for an engineer to attend site and draw up a as fitted specification. Kind regards Peter My reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 No the webway is tested to the latest version Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Not according to Jim today I can forward his email to you if you like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Ive just looked yes your right. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcarter Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Just to confirm, we tested to V2, not V3. We very much supported the direction that the BRE wanted to enhance EN50136 with V2. V2 led the way for amendments to EN50136 (and this remains on-going) which brought the EN standard up to the level of LPS and allowed manufacturers like us and CSL to market in the UK and Europe (BRE/LPS1277 is not recognised outside of the UK) without having to go through two separate and very costly certification processes (its the thick end of 30k + every time you test/certificate, thats a lot of communicators you have to sell to get the money back!). We may have included V3 as a strategy if BRE had accepted test reports from our EN based test houses, but they would not, and more importantly, it would have helped if they could certificate to EN, but they did not have the necessary accreditation to do so (I believe this is still the case). That meant we would have to have tested and certificated in two places for double the money! LPS1277 is not recognised by the BSIA, nor the NSI and its a waste of time outside of the UK (as I said above), it is not a standard either. Specification of systems should be via the EN standards, nothing else. Quote Jim Carter WebWayOne Ltd www.webwayone.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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