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[Driller]

I'm getting a new stone wall put up in front of the house and I'm concerned about the local scrotes having a field day with graffiti after it's finished. The idea is to put one or two cams looking along the wall for piece of mind's sake. They will be pole mounted, either from the ground or on a 90° arm fixed to the house side of the wall. The wall itself is curved so no trouble seeing along the outside even if the cams are on the inside IYSWIM.

What have folk used in this situation to good effect? External domes (already have SVD4600s), armoured bullet type (easier to pole mount?)or classic box?

as ever

[MrHappy]

photo or drawing of the (proposed) wall would help greatly with pisstaking advice

[Driller]

Hey, you know I'm always here for you when you need a good laugh

I'll post up some photos/diagram this evening, .

[Cyberprog]

They'll graffiti it whether there are cameras or not. The only way you can combat it is by coating it in anti-graffiti paint, or by getting it painted with a graffiti mural - but even those don't last that long in some areas. Unless you have someone watching the cameras 24/7 for the scrotes and they'll go and chase em off, you're on a hiding to nothing, as they'll just wear hoodies and masks for the fumes anyway!

[Driller]

Here's a rough diagram. The wall is about 25M long at this point and will be 2M high. Cameras will be placed in the two corners.


Here's the neighbours wall for reference:



ETA for Cyberprog: No chance of painting this wall with anything I'm afraid, it's natural stone.

Edited by Driller, 29 August 2011 - 08:09 PM.

[Cyberprog]

Similar in construction & height, i.e. half and half brick and railing? If so, that sort of surface is generally not that likely to be graffiti'd. I'd try and sit the cameras out a bit more as you may find you'll get a blindspot in the middle.

[Driller]

Thanks for the advice. Ours was originally like the above but sadly someone decided to redo it in breeze blocks years ago. The new one will be natural stone, 2 meters high, no railings.

Any thoughts on camera type/spec as in my first post above?

[norman]

Do you live on a roundabout?

[Cyberprog]

Hrm, well natural stone will be a good bit more resistant to graffiti - they tend to like a flatter surface and the make up of a natural stone wall tends to prevent this.
That said, you are probably flogging a dead horse in terms of prevention, if they're going to spray it, they'll spray it, regardless of cameras. I'd probably err towards cameras on poles observing from high up, with a vandal proof dome up there. But I wouldn't be expecting anything more than being able to see when it happened!
What's the light levels like at night? That'll dictate a bit towards the camera choice, if you have a street light or other lighting of your own you can probably look at high resolution b/w or colour, but if you have little light then you might be better off with vandal proof IR surface mount domes.

[MrHappy]

That street looks continental?

Do the locals write there opinion of the mad Englishman on the wall or something?

[Driller]

Cyberprog, on 29 August 2011 - 08:34 PM, said:

Hrm, well natural stone will be a good bit more resistant to graffiti - they tend to like a flatter surface and the make up of a natural stone wall tends to prevent this.
That said, you are probably flogging a dead horse in terms of prevention, if they're going to spray it, they'll spray it, regardless of cameras. I'd probably err towards cameras on poles observing from high up, with a vandal proof dome up there. But I wouldn't be expecting anything more than being able to see when it happened!
What's the light levels like at night? That'll dictate a bit towards the camera choice, if you have a street light or other lighting of your own you can probably look at high resolution b/w or colour, but if you have little light then you might be better off with vandal proof IR surface mount domes.

Blimey, Cyberprog you seem to know a lot about graffiti! I appreciate what you're saying about the chance of catching anyone but just the presence of the cameras may disuade any would-be mal-doers, nobody has cameras around here.

Vandal proof dome sounds good, light levels are good due to street lighting, my Techwin AV domes have no trouble with these light levels so maybe I should just get some more of these.

There seems to be a new breed of ready made vandal proof box/bullets on the market which look interesting.

[jameswilson]

you can get graffiti detectorsm might be a better option that pure cctv?

[Cyberprog]

You might well attract attention to the wall by adding cameras mind. The sort of people who do graffiti, tend (in general) to be fairly brazen in the lengths they'll go to. Putting CCTV on it is like a red flag to a bull in some cases, and they'll be likely to tag it just to mess with you! Not to mention all you'll see is a hoodied teen with a can!
If at all possible, get the cameras up and out of reach. Vandal Proof != Paint Proof, and keep them discreet. You'd obviously need to ensure that you've covered all your bases with regards to the DPA and so on as well as appropriate signage.

[Driller]

Thanks again for your very helpful advice Cyberprog

I see what you mean that cameras can attract attention and that the whole thing is a catch22 really. They will go up on poles high and discreet as you suggest.

[Scotmod]

Are you doing it yourself or getting it installed? What's the cost of redoing the wall if it gets graffitied?

[modernjim]

Might want to look at gaffitii detector think it might be manf. by Elmdene.Saw it in a trade ma could be usefull

[MrHappy]

modernjim, on 30 August 2011 - 07:54 PM, said:

Might want to look at gaffitii detector think it might be manf. by Elmdene.Saw it in a trade ma could be usefull

Elmdene are UK importer, Canadian product?

[Driller]

When James mentioned "graffiti detectors" above I must admit I thought he was Poking fun (this is the tsi forums after all). After googling I couldn't believe it when I found this:

http://www.google.co...fN3UFV84xaw9F2w

I wonder how false-alarm-proof they are?

Scot, myself and lots. Jim thanks for a second shout on graffiti detection

[modernjim]

Supposed to only react to frequency of spry jet but have not yet seen indipendent review.Come,s in tamper proof housing so hight might not matter

[MrHappy]

modernjim, on 30 August 2011 - 08:53 PM, said:

Supposed to only react to frequency of spry jet but have not yet seen indipendent review.Come,s in tamper proof housing so hight might not matter

thought it where the shake of the ball bearings in a can?

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