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[sjsturner]

hi guys ive done 2330 and 2356 but work as an alarm eng.ive wanted to do the above course for a long time but colleges in s west dont do it.does anyone know of a home learning option to complete this course?our college had about 40 guys trying to get this course but they wouldent do it. many thanks in advance

[jameswilson]

i did the old 1851 at college, Id contact this lot

http://www.skillsforsecurity.org.uk/

I was involved in writing the original syllabus many years ago. Its was an nvq mind not the updates cg 1852, Both are reasonably courses mind for a grounding.

let us know how it goes

[alterEGO]

I did it (or 1853? can't remember tbh) a couple of years back with an NVQ. Didn't rate it much as i knew what i was doing by then (shutup before anyone starts).

could give these guys a call?

[sjsturner]

thanks for the replys guys i will check them both.

[sjsturner]

sjsturner, on 16 January 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

thanks for the replys guys i will check them both.

still no luck nearest one is yeovill college fudge that!
will see what our inspector thinks he used to teach it!

[mijam]

It's now the 1853 Knowledge Course, college based or the 2882 Old NVQ now called QCF which is work based learning and assessment.
We do it in Gateshead, bit far for you to travel.

[sjsturner]

thanks for the input.its a shame cus i think distance learning would be good for operatives
who dont have the course run in there local college.providing you prove your working in the industry
and can provide evidence

[jameswilson]

Agreed

[Cubit]

sjsturner, on 01 February 2011 - 08:05 PM, said:

thanks for the input.its a shame cus i think distance learning would be good for operatives
who dont have the course run in there local college.providing you prove your working in the industry
and can provide evidence

Why impose a restriction of having to be already in the trade?

Some say quals should be a necessity, imposing a restriction shows how little thought goes into planning for the future in the industry.

[jameswilson]

I assume it would work like an apprentice scheme. So as such need to be active?

[sjsturner]

Cubit, on 01 February 2011 - 08:30 PM, said:

Why impose a restriction of having to be already in the trade?

Some say quals should be a necessity, imposing a restriction shows how little thought goes into planning for the future in the industry.

sorry cubit i didnt explain properly.
for people who are and have been working in the industry for some time should be able to do this course through an online distance learning because they will be able to digest the information a lot easier because they are working with these systems and will already know a good portion of the content.
for those who dont work in the industry i think college is the only option so they can have some hands on time.
my problem is the course is not run in my area but if i was sent the content and assesments im sure i could acheive it without having to travel 300 miles to go college one day a week!
i dont need the nvq just wanted to see the coursework side of it.

[reidy]

sjsturner, on 01 February 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

sorry cubit i didnt explain properly.
for people who are and have been working in the industry for some time should be able to do this course through an online distance learning because they will be able to digest the information a lot easier because they are working with these systems and will already know a good portion of the content.
for those who dont work in the industry i think college is the only option so they can have some hands on time.
my problem is the course is not run in my area but if i was sent the content and assesments im sure i could acheive it without having to travel 300 miles to go college one day a week!
i dont need the nvq just wanted to see the coursework side of it.

I did my 1852 on block release (1 week block, 7 blocks a year) at Preston college, there were guys from all over the country in my class

[sjsturner]

reidy, on 01 February 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I did my 1852 on block release (1 week block, 7 blocks a year) at Preston college, there were guys from all over the country in my class

thats not a bad way of doing it really.
i know of about 20-30 people around here who want to do it but the college wont run it.
perhaps they dont have tutors skilled in this industry?
when i did 2330 the tutors used to ask me about fire and security and i had to teach the class!

[Cubit]

sjsturner, on 01 February 2011 - 08:48 PM, said:

sorry cubit i didnt explain properly.
for people who are and have been working in the industry for some time should be able to do this course through an online distance learning because they will be able to digest the information a lot easier because they are working with these systems and will already know a good portion of the content.
for those who dont work in the industry i think college is the only option so they can have some hands on time.
my problem is the course is not run in my area but if i was sent the content and assesments im sure i could acheive it without having to travel 300 miles to go college one day a week!
i dont need the nvq just wanted to see the coursework side of it.

That would be too sensible.
Distance learning can also be far more effective than many people think. However, it does need the right materials and of course, willing students.

[sjsturner]

Cubit, on 01 February 2011 - 09:11 PM, said:

That would be too sensible.
Distance learning can also be far more effective than many people think. However, it does need the right materials and of course, willing students.

agreed.i would be happy to pay a resonable fee to do it and generally people will push themselves a lot harder with no distractions and the incentive of the money theve spent on it!

[alterEGO]

reidy, on 01 February 2011 - 09:03 PM, said:

I did my 1852 on block release (1 week block, 7 blocks a year) at Preston college, there were guys from all over the country in my class

When i did mine Mancat in openshaw was still doing the course, it was one day a week, got it changed to once a months though, couldn't be arsed with it.

[reidy]

alterEGO, on 01 February 2011 - 09:32 PM, said:

When i did mine Mancat in openshaw was still doing the course, it was one day a week, got it changed to once a months though, couldn't be arsed with it.

Is it true they only do intruder at mancat?

[alterEGO]

reidy, on 01 February 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

Is it true they only do intruder at mancat?

They don't do any now AFAIK.

What do you mean just intruder? thats all 1852 was for isn't it?

[reidy]

Right, no I did

1st year intruder
2nd year access
3rd year cctv

[alterEGO]

reidy, on 01 February 2011 - 09:46 PM, said:

Right, no I did

1st year intruder
2nd year access
3rd year cctv

I alaways thought it was intruder only, thats all that was on the 1852 test. All simples anyway at that stage.

I thought about sending someone to preston, bit of a treck though.