james.wilson Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 Just for discussion really So anything lower than ATS5 (or the proposed ATS 4+) is a bit poor securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcarter Posted December 14, 2010 Share Posted December 14, 2010 I think that's a fair comment James, and surprised you have not had any more comments on this. Jim Carter WebWayOne Ltd www.webwayone.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 i must admit i'd hoped i was reading it wrong securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 when all said and done its about what the insurer say yes to. We can risk asses G4 comms, but if insurer says happy with G2 what can you do? If you don't do it the next firm will. I would use G3 upwards every time if it was upto me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 15, 2010 Author Share Posted December 15, 2010 i think the issue aaron is lack of understanding ie dualpath must be better than single path? well in some cases yes but i wasnt fully aware of the facts and was led by the marketing sheets. Ill be dooing some testing on units but im currently of the opinion that we (ie me) should be using G4 comms mainly, then when the risk is quite low, G3 but hardly ever use G2. Currently we fit mainly G3 comms but we have been forced down this road recently by local cheap competition, but usually when you explain it to the client the want G4. If they dont care then they are usually quite happy with a digi. Had a few people try and takeover some of our jobs latly and have tried to do it on price, ie rip out out red gsm and fir G2 dual path. When we explain to the client what that means they usually stick with red gsm. And looking at the above is an AT4 device doesnt have to report a PRIMARY path failure for 300mins. Assuming the backup path is still available?? that concerns me it really does securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted December 16, 2010 Share Posted December 16, 2010 i agree, but if you have your G4 RA signed then what more can you do if they want G2? I would/will fit the G2, i can't see another option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 16, 2010 Author Share Posted December 16, 2010 aaron i dont disagree, im sure you are fully aware how weak g2 is. I think the issue is many are not. Ive always been anti very anti ip comms, but redcare gsm wont do extended formats, so im thinking i need to look at IP. Ideally what id want is a unit/service that can do IP/GPRS @ g4, but with a PSTN backup as well ie 3 paths. All sending SIA 3 allowing UDL over it, and with some sort of reporting system so i can see signal issues etc pro activly rather than reactivly. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 and with some sort of reporting system so i can see signal issues etc pro activly rather than reactivly. that reads like another desk job for someone. wonder how long before we can log in and issue our own crime numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 im thinking of it being part of the automatic remotem servicing. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 I can see it as "remote assistance", maybe good for those with own arc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 It just seems that whenever there has been a gprs signal loss or delay, that low signal strength is the excuse. I'd rather be checking it proactively than wait for a break in and then find out. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 maybe a low signal report to arc?, masweb reports for logged in eng? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 That would be an improvement but I want to know actual signal levels. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 dont they change with external conditions. ie minute you turn your back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yes but my problem with a low signal the manufacturer could alter it if too many people report issues. I remember one of them doing this in the past regarding making the on site signal warning be lower due to complaints securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 not possible with masweb printout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Don't think so? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 not now but if... maybe a low signal report to arc?, masweb reports for logged in eng? printout for proof? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yes but let's say that a significant strength of 5 was decided as a minimum then installers complain because there are loads in radio low so they change the threshold to 3. I'm also curious due to how poor my phone is with gprs that signal strength isn't a reliable measurement that a signal will actually arrive? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 I'm under the impression that the read out on dualcom is lower than the real signal strength ? the odd time I've spoken to csl tech they qoute the pad as being 10-15% higher than on the 7 seg ? Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 Ah so it's accurate then.? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 does no one log into Dualcoms? We can. No much use though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 We have the software and a pad for the old Paknet ones. Software wasn't great but showed signal, total downtime per path etc. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alterEGO Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 We have the software and a pad for the old Paknet ones. Software wasn't great but showed signal, total downtime per path etc. emizon is the best remote software i've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2010 Author Share Posted December 30, 2010 i think the newer guys (ie the ip guys) will have the software lead due to being more upto date etc. What IP software have you seen, ie what do you think if chiron and webway? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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