angellonewolf Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 hi had an alarm fitted 3 years ago an texecom veritas exel alarm panel no problems but now want to install a Autodialler ps i have fitted dialer in a alarm i fitted only a few months ago with your help no problem on an Accenta Mini G4 Alarm Panel this is from memory but bought with your help on quality and what one to pick and installed in only a few hours inc drilling through 2 foot wall to get cable route ! back to the problem the installer of the alarm system has gone bust/or not there any more so and because i did one before want to install this as well in the instruction manual of the dialer the alarm panel has to be power down on install we do know the user number but not the engineer number would this be a problem from looking on line the texecom has a outputs for a dialer so should be only conecting cable from one to another dialer that i will be using will be the Texecom Speech Dialler any pointer and a bit of help with if i can get away with out reseting the alarm panal to get the engineer number would be great thanks angel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 Dependant on how it was programmed you may be able to do this yourself. Trouble is you will not know until you try it. You could "hot Wire" the digi but if it is on engineer tamper reset you will be stuffed when you close the lid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chorlton Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 having read you post 3 or 4 times it is very hard to understand you so I'll assume your possibly bilingual ? anyway regarding your last sentence: are you asking for the engineer code to the panel or a local engineers phone number? C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 any pointer and a bit of help with if i can get away Without reseting the alarm panal to get the engineer number would be great thanksangel C hes not asked for a eng code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 its impossibel to know how it is programmed, so im not sure how we can help securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 If he/she wants to try and its not programmed right it will work. then time to think about it being installed properly. If it is, he/she will still need an engineer. Suck it and see time baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angellonewolf Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 hi i know you can not supply the code for the panal but if i open the panel and the alarm will not stop because tamper on the box reqires the engineer code would i be stumped i am an sparky by trade but tend to pass on alarms unless a friend or family member needs and i know from past times one time i went in to place to work there are norm a reset for most panels with in the panel itself you just have to know the default codes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 User code will silence a tamper, but dependant on the programming it may not reset it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 hi i know you can not supply the code for the panal but if i open the panel and the alarm will not stop because tamper on the box reqires the engineer code would i be stumpedi am an sparky by trade but tend to pass on alarms unless a friend or family member needs and i know from past times one time i went in to place to work there are norm a reset for most panels with in the panel itself you just have to know the default codes AGreed on panles that default. However some panels wont default the codes for security reasons, so it really does depend securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angellonewolf Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 so will then have no other way than pay to have unit reset i do not think that a person installing an alarm that would not protect his work how meny of you guys would leave this open so any one can play not meny i would say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 its not as simple as that, id say maybe 50% of people lock panels in this way for different reasons. We dont currently lock but i can see why some do. Again its unknown, if you want to be able to sue the guy that fitted it, if it dont work then its probable its locked, to protect himself etc. securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angellonewolf Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 sorry you miss understand the guy that installed it done a very good job from my point but they went to see him and he had gone and as i had installed dialer before would have liked to do this as well should not be a very taxing job but do not want to leave someonce with out there alarm would rather say you will have to call some one in but would like to help them out if i can with texecom they are good panels but not in the premier of the galaxy panels but are you able to say if the unit will default to factory setting inc the codes if i do a reset ? on this one ps if this is not ok to say or if it brakes rules then just say sorry cant say ps i am not asking money for this job just a faver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 so will then have no other way than pay to have unit reseti do not think that a person installing an alarm that would not protect his work how meny of you guys would leave this open so any one can play not meny i would say I think what everone who has replied is saying is that when you open the panel the alarm will sound, you will be able to silence it using a user code but it is possible that the panel has been programmed for engineer reset on tamper which means you will not be able to use the system again without an engineer code. Another feature of this panel is the ability to lock the engineer code so even if you try to restore it to factory settings the engineer code will still be locked. Personally I did used to lock engineer codes but I didn't enforce engineer reset on tamper. Obviously it's impossible for us to say how the original installer programmed the system, he may have left it wide open, many do especially electricians who just fit the occasional alarm and who don't want to change the programming any more than needed from the factory defaults. My advice would also be suck it and see, worst case you will have to get an engineer out but if you don't try you will have to get one to fit your dialler anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 it dont brake rules, but as before, depends on how its programmed, if it locked into secure mode then no it wont default the codes, if it isnt then it wont. It probablky isnt but i have no idea securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest old-hand Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 As I said, suck it and see If it works your laughing, if not a call out is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angellonewolf Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 i supose at worst case the panel are not expensive to replace and would be cheaper to intall a new panel than call out to fix as can use all other parts and then they will have the unit open for future add ons/ repairs if call out and he fixes prob would lock or set hes code anyway and would beback at the same place but would have to pay for install of dialer at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 i supose at worst case the panel are not expensive to replace and would be cheaper to intall a new panel than call out to fix as can use all other parts and then they will have the unit open for future add ons/ repairs if call out and he fixes prob would lock or set hes code anyway and would beback at the same place but would have to pay for install of dialer at the same time I agree, as long as you are able to fit it yourself this would be cheaper than getting an engineer out and you get to keep control. Get a replacemnt PCB and use your exisiting keypads etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 excel ranges from what 70 + vat upwards on the diymarket. 45 +vat upwards for a pro to check his system. Not to forget the day or more for diyer to replace panel I really can't be ar**** with it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angellonewolf Posted May 21, 2009 Author Share Posted May 21, 2009 thanks to all that posted with your help angel going to start another topic about something else now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted May 21, 2009 Share Posted May 21, 2009 excel ranges from what 70 + vat upwards on the diymarket. 45 +vat upwards for a pro to check his system.Not to forget the day or more for diyer to replace panel Excel PCB less than 24 quid inc vat (available to public) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galaxyclass Posted May 22, 2009 Share Posted May 22, 2009 should be able to pick up one of these for about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newguy Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Excel PCB less than 24 quid inc vat (available to public) Would the PCB only be obtained direct from Texecom - or do you have another wholesale/retail supplier in mind? There's no substitute for experience .......... so all opinions welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted May 23, 2009 Share Posted May 23, 2009 Would the PCB only be obtained direct from Texecom - or do you have another wholesale/retail supplier in mind? No it wasn't from Texecom direct, I just googled Texecom Excel PCB and there it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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