clivesorts Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hi all I run a Security installation company in Middx. For the last couple of years we have used Electricians to fit our fused spurs for alarm & CCTV installations. Can someone please advise me of the Regs for the installation of fused spurs as I want to write notes in our employee contracts that they cannot & must not attempt to install a fused spur. None of our Engineers are qualified to fit spurs. Thank you clive sorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amicus Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hi allI run a Security installation company in Middx. For the last couple of years we have used Electricians to fit our fused spurs for alarm & CCTV installations. Can someone please advise me of the Regs for the installation of fused spurs as I want to write notes in our employee contracts that they cannot & must not attempt to install a fused spur. None of our Engineers are qualified to fit spurs. Thank you clive sorts Electrical IEE regs BS7671 are a little confusing sometimes but inshort the person doing the work needs to be suitably qualified and also be deemed a comptent person.Depending on how the spur is installed it could attract a minor works or installation certification.Also the work would probably need RCD protection in some form as req.The work would req testing and the results recorded on the cert.This work would also be notifiable to a regulatindg body NIC EIC or building control.Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivesorts Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Electrical IEE regs BS7671 are a little confusing sometimes but inshort the person doing the work needs to be suitably qualified and also be deemed a comptent person.Depending on how the spur is installed it could attract a minor works or installation certification.Also the work would probably need RCD protection in some form as req.The work would req testing and the results recorded on the cert.This work would also be notifiable to a regulatindg body NIC EIC or building control.Hope this helps. Hi amicus Thank you for the Regs number. So in theory, only an Electrician can fit a fused spur ? Is it then illegal for a security Engineer to fit a spur ? Surely suitably qualified means that the person has undergone a " course " to safely fit the spur. A competent person, who regulates who a competent person is ? Thank you clive sorts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amicus Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Hi amicusThank you for the Regs number. So in theory, only an Electrician can fit a fused spur ? Is it then illegal for a security Engineer to fit a spur ? Surely suitably qualified means that the person has undergone a " course " to safely fit the spur. A competent person, who regulates who a competent person is ? Thank you clive sorts Hi No it is not illegal for an alarm engineer to do the work,but it comes under the scope of part"p" of the building regulations.These tell you what is needed.A course to fit a spur unit would need to be coupled to an understanding of the "17th edition"regs and the ability to test out a domestic instalation as req. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hpotter Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 A one day course will give you/your engs the "competent person" status. Pay for itself over & over again. http://www.tavcom.com/training/PDF/mc_1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpye Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sorry to butt in, how about replacing an existing, (broken back box) spur during a PMV? Someone told me I was ignorant and apathetic, I don't know what that means, nor do I care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lawandorder Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Sorry to butt in, how about replacing an existing, (broken back box) spur during a PMV? Doing a like for like replacement is not notifiable under Part p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
esp-protocol Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 1. Part P doesn't apply to the addition of a fused spur on to an existing ring circuit if outside of a bathroom, kitchen or "special location" so you don't need "Part P Qualifications" unless you are installing a new dedicated circuit. 2. You need to be competent to do the works, not necessarily a qualified electrician, but you will need a qualified knowledge of electrical installations and the ability to thoroughly check a circuit for safety and to be able to issue a minor works certificate. However the electrical regs do require all fixed electrical equipment to have a double pole means of isolation to allow safe working (there are a couple of mitigating circumstances such as the type electrical supply and earthing arrangement but..........) to keep it simple, I would always fit a fused spur with double pole secret key switch or similar. As Hpotter says... there are various firms around offering training...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirectFS Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 BS7671:2002, IEE Wiring Regulations, 17th Edition. Your local college should run a course which will certify your engineers competent to fit and test a fused spur connection. However, that will have limitations, due to Part P, and due to the regs themselves, in certain circumstances only. Any spur fitted must be certificated - but that's been true for years now. Look for advice from your local Tech College - most run courses for "competent persons". Just try not to put any end stations in people's WC's. Also, someone said below about fitting "secret key switches" - you can buy double pole unswitched fused spurs easily enough - so that seems like over engineering at best to me, as there is no requirement to retro-fit double pole protection onto existing systems. MK do a neon version, MK377 or one without, MK337. Bill. Hi allI run a Security installation company in Middx. For the last couple of years we have used Electricians to fit our fused spurs for alarm & CCTV installations. Can someone please advise me of the Regs for the installation of fused spurs as I want to write notes in our employee contracts that they cannot & must not attempt to install a fused spur. None of our Engineers are qualified to fit spurs. Thank you clive sorts Bill Accord Fire & Security Services Ltd. www.accordfire.co.uk ~ TEL: 0845 474 5839 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 However the electrical regs do require all fixed electrical equipment to have a double pole means of isolation to allow safe working (there are a couple of mitigating circumstances such as the type electrical supply and earthing arrangement but..........) to keep it simple, I would always fit a fused spur with double pole secret key switch or similar. you sure thats not just a 5839 requirement? securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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