neonred Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 if its working like a key switch . is it activating the key pad or the control panel directly?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, neonred said: if its working like a key switch . is it activating the key pad or the control panel directly?? Control panel Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Ok, I had a brief look when I last introduced an extra zone PIR to the panel and I noticed that it goes across zone 1 . Would the activation terminals be on the Trig terminals to left side of the panel under the aux supplies?? Thanks for your help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 you could always upgrade this important system. if its important? Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 17, 2018 Share Posted June 17, 2018 Yes, I may do so but trying to hold out for a while. To be honest I have had no problem with the panel I have expanded it to almost full capacity now I am now just trying to get round this issue but I may well upgrade in the next couple of years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 9 hours ago, neonred said: Ok, I had a brief look when I last introduced an extra zone PIR to the panel and I noticed that it goes across zone 1 . Would the activation terminals be on the Trig terminals to left side of the panel under the aux supplies?? Thanks for your help... No, it would go to a spare zone and need programming appropriately. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hi, thanks for your help. I hav'nt looked closely at the wiring from the reader but I would guess it will have a 12V supply it goes across Zone 1 and will also have a switch line going back to the panel to activate it. If it's working as a simple switch the only programming would be learning and accepting the key fobs . I would like to understand how it activates the panel and also does it use the zone as a kind of tamper ?? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 it activates the panel as the circuit its connected too will be programmed as keyswitch Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 It requires a simple volt free contact, the reader is powered but the output to the panel is volt free. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 So zone 1 is programmed as a key switch and activates closed circuit or open circuit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 If that's where the existing reader is connected to then yes. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I recently added another pir to the panel on zone 8. Although the test function acknowledges the pir works it isn't activating the alarm. It wasn't previously used and originally had a resistor across it which I have removed. I have changed over zones 7,8 and to test the pir and wired into zone 7 it works fine and activates the alarm. but zone 8 is still not activating the alarm. Any idea what the cause may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'd suggest zone 8 is programmed as spare. How did you test it? Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 So I would need to re-program the panel but I don't have an engineers's code for it. The panel was fitted by ADT. It was here when we moved in. Any way round this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I tested it using the test sequence on the keypad, user code then (5) and then the system allows you to individually activate each pir by movement and it chimes twice when it picks you up the relevant zone number also flashes on the keypad. I also changed the pir's round on zone's 7 and 8 The new pir circuit which I installed works fine on zone 7 but the original zone 7 which I swopped over won't work on zone 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 as norman says cct 8 isn't programmed as you want. Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Yes, does seem that way. Is there no other way of re-programming the panel then with the engineer code? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 if it needs programming you need to be in that mode Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 There is nothing in the user manual which relates to programming I don't know how to get int the programming mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I'd suggest a reputable company to come and programme it for you, they will need the original installer code or they can crash and reprogram it. Get it serviced at the same time if it's not been done for a while (12m is recommended) and this will ease the pain of the call out to a non maintained system. May also require a new back up battery if its older than 4 years. Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 I've always replaced the batteries myself. Electrical engineer by trade but as I didn't fit this I don't know the engineer codes also I cant get into programming modes. I've tried everything in the user manual omitting zones and test. Also powered down the system many times. Would be interested to know how to crash the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Unfortunately, and for obvious reasons, we can't advise people how to do this, likewise it will need reprogramming for your requirements in any case. If you found the code to this system then potentially a lot of other systems by this installer could be compromised, how long ago was it under contract? Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goncall Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 There always electrical engineers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonred Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 had this system since I moved here and that was 2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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